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software for 5150/5160

canuck46

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So, FINALLY after getting my IBM 5150 and 5160 formatted and running properly....with Dos on them...I suddenly discovered I dont have a clue what kind of software would be appropriate for these machines. I would like to set them up with something that would have been available when they were new. The 5150 has a color monitor and 10 Mg Hard Drive and the 5160 is mono with about a 20 mg Hard Drive. Any Ideas ???? And of course where would I get something like that ???? Any help would be appreciated.

Dave:confused:
 
Well, it depends on what you want to do.

Any version of DOS 2.1 or up would be suitable. DOS 3.3 is very functional. DOS 5 or DOS 6.22 would be good as well. I'd go with 3.3 or 5.0. PC DOS of course .. MS DOS wouldn't be authentic, and it is slightly different.

Next up are applications:

  • Procomm is a classic terminal emulator, still good for file transfer over the serial port
  • WordStar 3.31 is the classic word processor of the day. Early versions of WordPefect would be fine too.
  • Microsoft Multiplan for a spreadsheet, or Lotus 1-2-3 1A.
  • Microsoft Flight Simulator 2.1x is a classic.
  • Other games, of course .. CGA only though.


That's a good start at least ...
 
Software

Software

I have all the noted DOS versions you listed...The 5150 curruntly has 3.3 on it and the 5160 has 2.1. I have a "Pile" of discs labelled Wordstar 5.0 but I didnt know where they fit in . I have 12 discs so I'll try and install that...nothing ventured.........:rolleyes:


Thanx for the info....
 
For the 5150 you could run DOS 1.0 or 1.1 for real authenticity! :)

The earliest software available from IBM included DOS, The "Microsoft Adventure" and "Microsoft Decathalon" as well as a Typing Tutor.

Some other really early software would have been the aforementioned WordStar, Lotus 123, VisiCalc, SuperCalc and dBase II.

Enjoy!
 
If you like games, a couple of my favorite (free?)-ware games that work on an XT-compat with CGA are 'Jill of the Jungle', and 'Commander Keen'. Oh yeah, let's not forget about 'Lemmings' (I think that works w/ CGA?), also one of my all-time favorites. These programs should turn up in a web-search on the titles.

--T
 
Thanx

Thanx

Well....know I have something to work with !!!!! I have a few hundred 51/4 floppys with "Stuff" on them...So I'll just have to see if I can find the mentioned ones...I have a couple of them.... but I dont know if they work...I DO have "The IBM Typing Tutor" and it works....but I still cant spell....;) I'll see what I come up with and let everyone know.

Dave
 
Hard Drive Issue....

Hard Drive Issue....

When I tryed to format 5150 HDD with 2.1 it said....bad sectors....cant format etc... I tryed other 2.1 discs...same deal.....finally found a Dos 5 disc...formatted and installed...no problems...BUT,I wanted a older more appropriate copy of Dos on that machine...So I dug around and found 3.3...reformatted and installed that....runs fine. Im not sure what the "ISSUE" was(is) yet....but ITS GONNA GET 2.1 on it sooner or later!!!! It may be the discs I have??? I dont know....But If I ever figure that out I'll let you know. Using the 2.1 disc I was able to format and install Dos on my 5160 and it runs just fine????

Dave:confused:
 
Not sure how big your harddisk is.. but I think MS-DOS 2.x only supports 10 MB disks. 20 MB harddisks as from 3.0, afaik that is.
 
Hard Drive Issue...Update...

Hard Drive Issue...Update...

One further note on ORIGINAL HDD Issue........ Using a different 2.1 disc I was able(so it said) to format 5150 HDD BUT when I tryed to copy Dos files to HDD it said there was not enough room.....So thats when I blew it and put something newer on..... It seemed like machine was more confused than I was...gave me different messages...So,Thats when I ran accross Dos 5 and went that way...

Dave:confused:
 
Minor correction ... DOS 2.x supports up to 15MB per partition according to Microsoft. And you can have up to four different partitions per machine. But yes, effectively only one partition is active at a time so it is rather limited.
 
So...Not Enough Room ???

So...Not Enough Room ???

So does anyone have any idea why Dos 2.1 would say "Not Enough Space" when I tried to copy Dos onto HDD ??? Obviously there was lots of space as I was able to re-format with Dos 5 and Dos 3.3 and install them. The hard drive is 10mg. Maybe the Dos gods were mad at me that nite....I might try again just caus "I Can".:listen:
 
If you did format c: and then immediate did the sys c: it should have been fine. If you started copying files before doign the sys c: it might give you that message.

Of course the way around that problem is just to use format c: /s ...

If that wasn't it, I haven't a clue.
 
One of the things I discovered when finding old computers was the almost predictable software installed on them. I concluded the majority of users were quite boring. Standard WP or occasional Wordstar, Lotus and an accounting program. Occasionally I would find one reflecting imagination in the user and would mine it for some of the programs on it. It was more fun.

One of my favorite tools which I still put on every Intel computer I own is CMFiler which can read hex listings as well as Ascii and execute any program plus much more.
It still works with Win 98. An amazing program. It is a bit like Norton Commander or PC Tools but incredibly more capable. With it I could explore and troubleshoot any computer.

There are so many interesting programs developed for early DOS. One of the best DOS graphics programs I've seen was one called Neo-Chrome, but it might have required a 386 processor. I loved the early Sidekick, a program called pop-up, a free-form idea developer whose name I can't remember, an early windows with 4 frames. I imagine all of these are on Simtel. Some games of course, but I could use my Atari for more interesting ones. Check out the numerous archives for the many programs available. Part of the fun is finding programs that tickle your fancy rather than those business programs that simply reflect the needs of some corporation.

Lawrence
 
Early versions of DOS would format a floppy disk two different ways, but I don't recall if that applied to hard drives as well. The default was to format as a 'data' disk, in which the system tracks were available for a little extra storage space. If you thought you might want to put a system on the disk, you had to enter a certain parameter to the command line, so it would reserve the system tracks for future use. The error message returned when attempting to sys a data disk was similar to what you're seeing [No room for system on destination disk].

OK, I looked it up, and I believe this may be what you're experiencing:

Fixed disks are already physically formatted when shipped by IBM. When formatting a fixed disk, FORMAT checks all locations within the DOS partition, but does not physically format them again. --DOS Manual, pg. 2-93

I'm searching for the error msg now, which may take a while, so I'll get back to ya.

--T
 
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No room for system on destination disk

Explanation: The destination diskette does not contain the required reserved space for DOS; therefore, the system cannot be transferred. --PCDOS manual, v.2.10, pg. A-61

This error doesn't seem to apply to hard drives tho, just floppies, and I really don't remember. Whaddaya think, Mike?

--T
 
What was the exact wording of your error msg? The only 'No space' messages I can find are returned by FDISK, but IIUC, you were getting the errors from FORMAT?

--T
 
Formatting a disk without /s doesn't copy the system files to the disk (floppy or hard disk). As soon as you create the first file or directory on the target disk, you have possibly used the space where those system files go, or taken the slot in the file allocation table that they need. (Yep, they've got to be right at the beginning of the FAT. Google for the exact rules.)

Formatting with /s transfers the system files over, so this won't be a problem.

In the case of floppy disks formatting is both physical and logical formatting. For hard disks format only does a software format. The physical (low level) format has to be done with a utility, either in BIOS somewhere or in software.

As for the error message, I'd boot with a proper DOS disk and format c: /s to format the hard disk. If it was the reserved space issue, that will take care of it.
 
formatting???

formatting???

OK..Im going to try this again....Im settin up 5150 upstairs close to this computer....and I'll try and format it.For some reason I think the /s was ommited on my part...Oops.....We'll see shortly....

Dave
 
Micom 2000 said:
One of the things I discovered when finding old computers was the almost predictable software installed on them. I concluded the majority of users were quite boring. Standard WP or occasional Wordstar, Lotus and an accounting program. Occasionally I would find one reflecting imagination in the user and would mine it for some of the programs on it. It was more fun.

One of my favorite tools which I still put on every Intel computer I own is CMFiler which can read hex listings as well as Ascii and execute any program plus much more.
It still works with Win 98. An amazing program. It is a bit like Norton Commander or PC Tools but incredibly more capable. With it I could explore and troubleshoot any computer.

There are so many interesting programs developed for early DOS. One of the best DOS graphics programs I've seen was one called Neo-Chrome, but it might have required a 386 processor. I loved the early Sidekick, a program called pop-up, a free-form idea developer whose name I can't remember, an early windows with 4 frames. I imagine all of these are on Simtel. Some games of course, but I could use my Atari for more interesting ones. Check out the numerous archives for the many programs available. Part of the fun is finding programs that tickle your fancy rather than those business programs that simply reflect the needs of some corporation.

Lawrence

I find it pretty much looks like this as far as software goes, yes, t's REAL predictable.

PC's, XT's, and Clones - if they even have a hard drive: Spin-Rite, Optimizer, ProComm Plus, Xtree Gold, BASICA with a bunch of BASIC programs and games, maybe some sort of menu system, Lotus 1-2-3 on occasion, and sometimes an early Word Processor, usually WordPerfect 5.1 Usually running MS-DOS or PC-DOS 3.1-5.0.

286, 386 SX, and early 386 DX - Usually MS-DOS 5.0, sometimes as new as 6.1, VERY rarely an early Windows (like 2.03 or 3.0), usually no Windows, some sort of freeware/shareware game like Commander Keen or Elf. Usually comes with Lotus 1-2-3, WordPerfect 5.1, and in rare cases, Harvard Graphics. These sometimes have cool screensavers on them.

386 DX-486 DX4 w/16MB or Lower of RAM - Usually DOS 5-6.22, Windows 3.1, Adobe Font Manager, some WordPerfect, some Lotus 1-2-3, sometimes a Microsoft office program or two, and maybe a Web Browser or ISP program of some sort, usually being AOL 3.0. Usually has a couple DOS games on it, in rare cases they could be something like Monkey Island and DOOM, but usually are Commander Keen, Scorched Earth, and Windows Entertainment Pack.

Anything Else - Usually Runs Windows 95, 98, NT, or 2000, has pretty much anything my computer has or has had on it (Microsoft Office, Microsoft Word, Microsoft yadda yadda). Sometimes has DOOM or Microsoft Arcade pack installed. Usually is slow as crap to start Windows, has Porn on the drive somewhere possibly, and usually is trying to run more fancy stuff than a machine of that type can handle.
 
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