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Another, extremely late, hello from Norway.

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I have nearly been on therse forums a year now, but I just realizd that I have never introduced myself yet... So here we go:

Strangely, my name is also Frode, however, I live in the western, rainfull and colder parts of Norway. I'm 16 years old, and go to school'n stuff. I have been collecting for quite-a-bit of time, since I got my 486 in 7th grade. I'm into mostly PC's and XT's, but I have been showing a little interest in gaming devices too.

Notable vintage computers I got:
IBM PC/XT
Amiga 500
Atari Lynx II (okay, that's not really vintage, but it's close)

I also got a coupple of machines from 486 to recent, however, I really don't remember all of them right now.
Examples are my 486 Windows 3.11 PC, some Windows NT PC (equal number of PCI and 16-bit ISA slots), a Windows 95 Laptop, N64, Windows XP PC.

Beside my normal work, I play in a brass-band, and also a consert-band. The instrument I'm playing is the bass-trombone. I just love band-music.


So, that's my introduction, and I really hope that nobody have found any of my comments insulting.
 
Beside my normal work, I play in a brass-band, and also a consert-band. The instrument I'm playing is the bass-trombone. I just love band-music.
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Yes! I love trombone. It's actually got quite the classical repetoire. I'm more of a bebopper though. (I play jazz flute) For something more conservative, have you heard the NewZealand darling of the trombone, Roger Fox? He's pretty cool too. Bass trombone is a bit more ballsy though. :) As an aside, the shop I worked at a few years ago specialized in brass and woodwind repairs and are known across the country for doing good work on trombone slides.
 
Ole Juul said:
have you heard the NewZealand darling of the trombone, Roger Fox? He's pretty cool too.
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I have heard him play live a couple of times here in my hometown.

I met another Norwegian guy called Frode a few years ago. Is that a popular name in Norway?

Tez
 
I've played the tenor-trombone since I was 8 but I've only played Bass-trombone for a year, however, the shape of my head is more "optimized" for bass than tenor (according to my private-teacher).

carlsson said:
How confusing, I was almost certain your name would be Per.
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"Per" is only a cover-name I ALLWAYS use on the internet. My brother used to be pissed-off because of that, however, I really don't care about it. :)

Erik said:
ROFL. "Welcome" aboard! (500 posts later!)

:D
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Wonder if I get into the Guinness world records for that :rolleyes: . LoL
 
The shape of your head?? Not your mouth or throat more specifically? I know some trombonists but I never considered how their heads differ.
 
carlsson said:
The shape of your head?? Not your mouth or throat more specifically? I know some trombonists but I never considered how their heads differ.
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The shape of your head defines the shape of the mouth, as of my view. I think it has something to do with that I got a rather narrow face, and maybe therefore bigger mouth-volume. In addition, I'm also rather tall.


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For a brass instruments, and actually all other instruments (including the PC speaker), you have two importiant reasons why the output sounds as it does. Voice and Tone. Many people mistakes them for being the same, however, they are not. Voice is affecting the output a lot more than tone, as it is the sound source. tone is generated by the output device.


For an example, the PC speaker:
In most causes, programmers used hardware generated sound for the PC speaker, as of Software generated sound took too much of the CPU's attention at the same time as it is incompatible with other CPU speeds than programmed for and it sounded rather dull. The only hardware generated sound avalible for the PC-speaker was, and still is, The Programmable Interval Timer (8253). As of this Counter/Timer is digital, it can only generate squarewaves.

Because of the above, the voice of the PC-speaker is allways the same, as everybody know (BEEP). However, all PC manufacters didn't bother to use the same loudspeaker diameter (and thicknes, hardnes, etc..), hence, different PCs got different tone on the internal speaker. two different PCs sound the same because the voices are equal, however, you might hear a slight difference in the sound because of the types of loudspeakers used.


Now for brass instruments. The sound input, or voice, are the waves of air from the player's mouth, made by the resonance of the player's vibrating lips. To say it simple, the voice of the instrument is generated by resonance inside the mouth, not inside the instrument. (If the voice where made in the instrument, even newbies could make as nice a sound as a proffesional, just by blowing randomly into a instrument of good quality! In addition, it would also sound dull!) When the voice passes through the instrument, it's first modulated to a frequency by the lips (pulse-whit modulation, I beleve), then it is modulated again by the resonance of the metal (adding tone. It is actually fascinating if you start to calculate on this, it's an awfull lot of advanced stuff going on at the same time!). The end result is the final sound of the instrument. My guess is that the voice is about 80% of the sound, even though it is heavily modulated, and 20% is the tone of the instrument. In order to get a good sound, you need therefore have the ability to generate a good voice, and of course a good instrument.

To make a good voice, you will need hours of practice, strong lips, and of course, a good resonance in your head (as that affects the resonance of the mouth).
 
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carlsson said:
By the way, here is an urban legend featuring a bass trombone player. Very fun, but probably to most part or completely made up.
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Of course its made up. Have you seen how particular musicians get about their instruments and how they're always wiping off fingerprints etc? Besides, a new professional quality bass trombone will set you back 5 grand or more - too much for any working musician to write off as a joke. The other thing that proves that it was not true is that the instrument didn't end up on eBay as art :p.

Perhaps trombone players are not as picky as flute players. One day a lady came into the shop to pick up her $20,000 flute (yes that's what pro flutes cost nowadays) which was being repaired. The specialist who did the work was not there and the senior technician talked with her. She complained that the scuff marks on the head joint were still there and she had been told that something would have been done about that as part of the work to be done. The technician then took the flute into the back of the shop and wiped the marks off on his apron and came back with the flute. The costumer went away happy. We had a good laugh about that afterwards.

OK, OK, so that's a bit off topic. Here's one from the same shop thats more to the point:
They were paving the road out front and we were carrying on business as usual. It came to the point where there was a huge steam roller going back and forth to finish off the paving. The (same) head technician, looked at that and got an evil grin. hehe. He then took an old cheap student trombone and walked out into the street and made eye contact with the steam roller operator.... who emediately undersood! We had that very (very) flat trombone on display for a long time and people would always ask "what happened to that!"
 
One of my trombonist friends, who also is into electronics and computing (he used to run some kind of apartment network out of IBM PS/2 and paper clips) once experimented with electronic circuits to be used as trombone effects. He came up with a device that quantified the note being played, then calculated and played back square waves at a third and a fifth higher, i.e. creating major chords in the bass octave. It sounded totally horrible, but technically was quite interesting.
 
<Still ROFL-ing> I still love the sound of a trombone, especially bass, no matter how flat it is...I don't care what anyone sez. (But then, I'm completely tone-deaf, FWIW).

--T
 
Hillarious Trombone video.

He is actually playing on inbreath. Advantages with that is that it is 10 times easier to play high frequencies and short notes, however, the sound isn't as good as playing on outbreath.
 
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