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Tiny Remote Control for DOS

ibmapc

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Has anyone been able to get THIS (TinyHost) running on an 8088 or a V20? I can't find any Novell 16 bit netware client software. Evidently, it was available for free in years past 'cause there are links that are broken that used to point to Novell's TCP16.EXE. Anyone have this in their archives or know where I can get it? All of my Googleing has come up empty. I have found Client32, but I'm pretty sure it won't work on anything less than a 386.
 
I pinged the author. Hopefully he can provide some hints.


Mike
 
I pinged the author. Hopefully he can provide some hints.


Mike
Yes, I sent him an email and got the following response;
"I think you should be able to get it running if you had the right drivers for the network card.
There is an old 16 bit version of the novell stack, but you’d have to look around the internet to find it.
PCTCP is a commercial product so you would have to find someplace to buy it.
-josh"


So I replied;
"I've searched for hours for the 16 bit novell stack (TCP16.EXE?) but only found broken links. Was hoping you could help me find it. Also, I've been using the CRYNWR packet driver for my Intel Etherexpress 16 NIC for other uttillties like mTCP and Bobcat. Any chance you can get TinyHost to work with the Crynwr packet driver?"

Still waiting for another response.
 
I have the ELS Netware Level II Kit (5-1/4" media) v2.12. Would it be in there? The box says "Includes Operating System and Manuals" so it's full of a lot of stuff and weighs about 25 pounds. I'll let someone else do the research and I'll look at the disks if they think it's useful.

PS: I have a bunch of other old Novell disks, and looked through them briefly, but there was no TCP16.EXE on the ones that I saw. There was NETINSTALL.EXE, NETGEN.EXE, NET$OS.EXE, and NETBIOS.EXE. All are 1988. I have no perspective on this.
 
Thanks for looking, I think I think "ELS Netware Level II Kit" is aimed at the server side of things but the client might be in there as well. From the research that I've done there isn't an obvious answer.
 
Thanks for looking, I think I think "ELS Netware Level II Kit" is aimed at the server side of things but the client might be in there as well. From the research that I've done there isn't an obvious answer.

I did a more thorough look to find a client but there are about 40 disks as well as books for Arcnet, Token Ring, and basically any network known to man in 1988. I can find no quick reference to a client or anything that does not involve installing half of archive.org as Chuck has pointed to.

OT: I can't even begin to imagine what a Novelle network would be used for. However, if anybody is into vintage network history, they can have this kit. I suspect this is the last intact one in the world. (@MikeS - but not *are. :) )
 
Do you mean the files here:

Courtesty of archive.org
Thanks Chuck(G), That archive had most of the files needed. One file appeares to be corrupt or missing (vlm121_4.exe), but I was able to find it elseware. I've extracted all the files but it's way past my bed time so I'll attempt to install the client tommorow and update this thread upon completion.
 
Some leads...

Some leads...

You can still download the old 16 bit client directly from Novell here...

http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/13555.html

That should give you IPX/SPX. To get TCPIP, I think you also need to install a product that was called Lan Workplace or WorkGroup. I *think* this file should have everything you need in it...

http://josh.com/tiny/download/lwpextra.zip

Also, here is document that sort of references the process that could have helpful hints...

http://www.aspenres.com/documents/h...help/netManual_Installation_from_Netware.html

Wish I could be more help, but don't have time right now to play with this. Maybe in a couple of weeks if no one else gets it working by then...

-josh
 
On another topic, its very fun to run the FTPSRV on and old machine and remotely "play" with it while you are away from home or at work. This got me thinking about more ways in which one could do this. For example, say you wanted to remotely run programs, or compile code on your vintage computer -- how could you do this?

One crude way came to mind (which may or may not work) but involves:

1) uploading a text source code file to your machine running FTPSRV from a remote location;

2) issuing a command to re-boot the machine;

3) having an AUTOEXEC.BAT which takes care of running a compiler on your source code, i.e., COBOL compiler, or MACRO ASSEMBLER;

4) downloading the finished executable program from the FTPSRV.


Of course remotely debugging and viewing error messages from the compiler might be tricky (could these errors be placed in a text file to be downloaded?).


Anyway, just a thought on a cool project that would be fun to work on. :cool:
For an alternative approach to remotely control a DOS computer you might as well look at the RMENU package available here: http://www.bttr-software.de/products/jhoffmann/. It operates differently and certainly has advantages and disadvantages compared to TINY but isn't that the fun with free software that you can freely try various ideas to see which one you like best?
 
As well as the link Chuck provided tcp16.exe is listed at here
also here
here
and here there's two different sized tcp stacks by the looks.

This site, some links are dead, may be useful too regarding networking in dos in general - Dos networking
As noted above Novell released the Dos netware clients for download so it obviously has some use/demand for it somewhere.

Welcome to the forum Josh.
 
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Well, I don't think it's going to work. I got the Novell NetWare 16 bit Client up and running with the TCP/IP Stack. Was able to ping other computers on the network and am able to ping my XT from others, so I figure the Client is configured correctly. Started the TinyHost on the XT and it appears to start up fine. But when I try to connect from my XP machine, the XT locks up and nothing more happens. then I notice that TinyHost mentions NWClient32 in the startup screen. I don't think NWClient32 is going to work on the XT. So unless it can be made to work with the 16 bit client it's a no-go.:confused:
 
You can still download the old 16 bit client directly from Novell here...
Maybe in a couple of weeks if no one else gets it working by then...
Well done Josh - and welcome. :) I hope you come back. It looks like you might have the expertise that's needed here. And perhaps some other vintage contributions too?

wiwa64 said:
For an alternative approach to remotely control a DOS computer you might as well look at the RMENU package available here: http://www.bttr-software.de/products/jhoffmann/. It operates differently and certainly has advantages and disadvantages compared to TINY but isn't that the fun with free software that you can freely try various ideas to see which one you like best?

Yours actually works, which so far looks like a significant advantage. :)

ibmapc said:
Well, I don't think it's going to work. . . . So unless it can be made to work with the 16 bit client it's a no-go

Well thanks for bringing it to the board and giving it a good try. :) It's still possible that someone else will have a brainstorm or even expertise (Josh?) that'll make this go.
 
Oh, man! I had no notice of the existence of this TINY marvel thing!

I really need to try this.
 
I saw that thread a while back. Neat idea, and I may try that soon. The link to the download on the first post still works, although it is probably an outdated version. (If he even has continued the project.)
 
Not to hijaak this thread at all, but wasn't Mike Chambers working on a VNC remote client for DOS? I don't see it on his site currently... As an alternative, it might be worth pinging him to see what the status of that project is (I know that he had posted about needing beta testers)
The test version can still be downloaded. Credit to him for putting time into it. Also remember his whole intention was to use it on 486 class machines, which makes sense. Unsure how well in works but you could give http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/nino/dosvnc.html a shot as well, it uses wattcp.

There's this as well http://vncviewer8086.sourceforge.net/
 
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The test version can still be downloaded. Credit to him for putting time into it. Also remember his whole intention was to use it on 486 class machines, which makes sense. Unsure how well in works but you could give http://www.complang.tuwien.ac.at/nino/dosvnc.html a shot as well, it uses wattcp.
Thanks for the link - got it. I seem to remember trying that, or was it Mike's. But anyway, I have a hard time figuring out a use for a VCN client on DOS since telnet or ssh works so well and gives all the functionality you need to work on a Unix box remotely. Presumably you wouldn't use DOS on a machine which could support a full speed remote GUI. Now, a server allowing connection the other way would be more interesting because DOS is so good for dedicated use low resource setups. We'll see if someone can get the topic software to work - I'm starting to get suspicious that it won't work outside of some special, long lost, environment. :p
 
I think there is some confusion.

Mike C had a VNC client for DOS - that lets you look at VNC servers on other machines from your DOS machines.

Mike C more recently had his own "DOS remote control program" similar to TINY. That was in the last year.



Mike
 
I don't think there's any confusion at all. Maverick1978 just threw in a bit about VNC which does allow one to control a machine remotely using that horrible abonination called a mouse. As OJ points out it would be interesting to have a VNC server for Dos.

Of course there's commercial products the will do the trick regarding remote control of Dos boxes. Mike S mentioned he used pcAnywhere at one point in a previous discussion about RMENU http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcf...control-of-DOS-Box/page2&highlight=pcAnywhere

It would appear there is indeed more than one way to skin the cat.

Here's a later link to the dos VNC client- http://arcady.chem.anrb.ru/vncdos/
Here's a link to Mike Cs effort for those interested http://www.vintage-computer.com/vcf...9-new-FAST-DOS-VNC-like-remote-control-server
Hmmm, seems there is a TSR included in the DrDos TCP suite called XPC that can access remote Dos PCs via X11 or terminal emulation software- http://www.drdos.com/dosdoc/Tcpip/dos_util/dosutil7.htm
 
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