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carlsson said:
Oh by the way, if we are allowed to go into rants here, I could argue that while one of the former US presidents had Alzheimer's, the current seems to be infected by megalomania. :twisted:

Ain't it the truth...I bet if we drilled a hole into his skull, pure crude oil would run out instead of graymatter.
I guess it just pays to be famous if you're running for office. Now we have a governor of a major state whose only qualification is that he made a few movies, and another who is nothing more than a TV wrestler and former body-builder. Only in America...

--T
 
carlsson said:
For the record, I turned 29 a few weeks ago, but maybe my wisdom sometimes comes from that when I have time, I like to look up and evaluate sources of information. :)

Well, that's good to know. In your picture you look to be about 18 or so, (must be nice, to look so young) but I figgered you were older because you talk about college as if it were a few years back.

--T
 
Maybe the webcam picture is too small to get a good view. I'll have to wait a few years for my first hair recess (or how it is called), but I don't think I will suffer from it, as neither of my male relatives have showed signs of early baldness.
 
"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> Well it mightn't be as widespread, after all I'm in the
>> position where I'm a majority group of people who are
>> looking for work, these people I've met have been via
>> voluntry work that I'm doing or Work for the Dole (the
>> program which you have to do in order to get the Dole
>> - this comes into effect if you've been unemployed for
>> 6 months). For myself, I may got back to get an
>> education in the environment, 'cause it seems like a
>> good way to pursue a career in it. As a child, I grew
>> up in the bush, but never really learned the values of
>> it until I met some people who worked in the
>> environment.

> Environmental studies seems interesting enough...

Complicating enough, it sure is. There's still some good
stuff left of or indigenous plants, but with introduction
of plants from overseas & people orderning it over the
internet, there is that potential that more plants will
become weedy. Generally a weed is either a plant which
has been introduced from another part of Australia,
which loves to take control of, by multiplying or a plant
from overseas (South African plants tend to be the
worse - since lots of people love their flowers), which
have ways of spreading easily.

I don't know about the north half of the states, but I
heard a plant called the tumble weed (I think - or
rolley polley) was a big problem. In movies based
down south Texas or even Mexico, you generally
see it rolling around (it's this ball based plant). This
plant is actually Russian! ;-)

Oh & I've heard some stories about Eucalyptus
growing in the States, which don't quite look the
same as our Aussie counterparts. Merely because
of the conditions they have here, which don't
exist overseas! :)

> Well disability is taken very seriously here, my Father had
> to retire because of his Arthritis, back then you had to retire
> at 65, but he got out at 61.

> Yes, but of course they never admitted it while he was still
> sitting in office. The signs were there right along, for
> anyone who cared to take notice, but he had a staff (and
> wife) that was pretty good at covering for him.

Good Heavens!

> Really? I have some trouble placing you age-wise. I
> tend to think of you as being about my age or mebbe
> a little older, because of the wisdom that you seem to
> possess.

I'm 26 going on 27 at the very end of June! Generally,
wherever I go I'm the baby of the pack, because I have
an obsession for things older than myself! ;-) Naturally,
computers isn't older than me, but I was VERY young
when I got stated with one. And I like them more than
you're everyday PC. Older IBMs like 386s/486s I don't
mind using, cause programming them just means that
people are still interested in those machines.

Didn't think I processed a wisdom! ;-)

> (I can't even begin to age carlsson, he goes from one
> extreme (youth) to the other (wisdom) in his posts).

Sounds like he's older than me.

>> Well, you know what Benjamin Diserali said about statistics...

>> No, I'm not familiar with him? Is he free speech bloke or
>> something?

> Disraeli (sorry, I munged the spelling before) was a PM
> in GB about a generation ago. One of his famous quotes
> goes quote from Benjamin Disraeli "There are three kinds
> of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics".

Let me guess, he was a PM of GB in the 60s?

One such album (from a 60s group called Cream - heard of
Eric Clapton?) is called "Disraeli Gears". Since Cream were
a group from Britan in the Psychedelic era, I'm guessing he
was PM of that time! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
Oi. I had placed CP/M User at least ten years older than that. Maybe we should have a "game" on the board, guess eachother's ages, and the one which has most correct win. Or we can guess eachother's shoe sizes, degree of vision impairment (thickness of your glasses) or average length of your fingers (and see who was the COBOL programmer in the old days).
 
"carlsson" wrote:

> Oi. I had placed CP/M User at least ten years older
> than that.

So that technically mean's that Terry could be my
father (not that he is).

What can I say for somebody who's my age? I love
doing things the ol' fashioned way! :)

> Maybe we should have a "game" on the board,
> guess eachother's ages, and the one which has
> most correct win. Or we can guess eachother's
> shoe sizes, degree of vision impairment (thickness
> of your glasses) or average length of your fingers
> (and see who was the COBOL programmer in the
> old days).

Well I've used COBOL, but not with Punch cards.
Unfortunately, I never used a ol' computer (except
for an EDSAC emulator - but it can't be said that it's
the same as using a real EDSAC). All I know about
early computers comes from Books & the Internet! :-(

CP/M User.
 
"vic user" wrote:

> Wow!

> totally pictured CP/M user to be in
> his forties at least :)

Heh! Pictured me as being past my
prime in my Forties! :) Maybe when
I'm forty, I act like a Sixty year ol'
(Sounds Spooky!).

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
CP/M User said:
So that technically mean's that Terry could be my
father (not that he is).
So it turns out I'm actually the wise ol' sage 'round here? Hope I set a proper example fr all you young'uns!
What can I say for somebody who's my age? I love
doing things the ol' fashioned way! :)
That's why they call you CP/M User...
Well I've used COBOL, but not with Punch cards.
Unfortunately, I never used a ol' computer (except
for an EDSAC emulator - but it can't be said that it's
the same as using a real EDSAC). All I know about
early computers comes from Books & the Internet! :-(

CP/M User.

I used to have a copy of Nevada COBOL that ran under TRSDOS on the Model 16B. I checked it out a couple times, but never got very deeply into it.

--T
 
"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> So that technically mean's that Terry could be my
>> father (not that he is).

> So it turns out I'm actually the wise ol' sage 'round
> here? Hope I set a proper example fr all you
> young'uns!

Not if you keep writing like that! ;-)

I think there would be some older people who have
posted here, so I think it's safe to say that you're
not the Grand Daddy! ;-)

>> What can I say for somebody who's my age? I
>> love doing things the ol' fashioned way! :)

> That's why they call you CP/M User...

Well not quite, to some extent I've called myself
this because that's what I am! ;-)

>> Well I've used COBOL, but not with Punch cards.
>> Unfortunately, I never used a ol' computer (except
>> for an EDSAC emulator - but it can't be said that it's
>> the same as using a real EDSAC). All I know about
>> early computers comes from Books & the Internet! :-(

> I used to have a copy of Nevada COBOL that ran
> under TRSDOS on the Model 16B. I checked it out
> a couple times, but never got very deeply into it.

I used RMCOBOL back in my computer studies & I tried
to make it something, which I don't think it is. It might
of been possible to write a communications program in
COBOL, but the information I got from the books, didn't
really help me write one of those, becuase they were
too occupied discussing the primary purpose of the
language, which was printing Business applications.

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
I have never looked into COBOL, but I've heard it is very verbose and involves a lot of typing so evil sayings was that you get shortened fingers after programming it for so long. I really hope someone has found a way to safely freeze the current expert programmers so they can be revived in one or two thousand years from now, whenever the next date-time issue happens for old computer systems.

"70% of the population has retired by 60 years, with the exception of computer programmers skilled in COBOL, who are put 'on hold' to last at least another ten years, preferrably divided over ten time periods."
 
CP/M User said:
"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> So that technically mean's that Terry could be my
>> father (not that he is).

> So it turns out I'm actually the wise ol' sage 'round
> here? Hope I set a proper example fr all you
> young'uns!

Not if you keep writing like that! ;-)

I think there would be some older people who have
posted here, so I think it's safe to say that you're
not the Grand Daddy! ;-)
Whew! That's a relief...
I used RMCOBOL back in my computer studies & I tried
to make it something, which I don't think it is. It might
of been possible to write a communications program in
COBOL, but the information I got from the books, didn't
really help me write one of those, becuase they were
too occupied discussing the primary purpose of the
language, which was printing Business applications.

Cheers,
CP/M User.

That would explain the BusinessOriented part then. (I thought it was short for "BOring", especially if you ever tried reading some source code).

--T
 
"Terry Yager" wrote:

>> I used RMCOBOL back in my computer studies & I tried
>> to make it something, which I don't think it is. It might
>> of been possible to write a communications program in
>> COBOL, but the information I got from the books, didn't
>> really help me write one of those, becuase they were
>> too occupied discussing the primary purpose of the
>> language, which was printing Business applications.

> That would explain the BusinessOriented part then.
> (I thought it was short for "BOring", especially if you
> ever tried reading some source code).

Didn't you know that this was a Business Oriented
language? (Yes, you must of if you were using it on a
TRS-80 or something!).

RMCOBOL I used was based on the COBOL85 standard
(if that makes sense). For some unknown reason, it had
to follow the original coding (from COBOL59 I think),
which mean't you had to think like a punchcard! ;-)

I didn't mind it once I quickly got used to where the
program went, the remarks part & where you had to
put a continous marker, don't ask me where they go
now! ;-) Fortran is simular. I've got a Freeware version
based on Fortran 77, which follow simular guidelines.

The fun I got with Fortran is it's really scientific, which
mean's you can do maths & stuff. I found this amazing
program which draws this wormhole feature (using
text characters), which was done in Fortran.
Unfortunately, Fortran under CP/M is no fun with DRs
Fortran. The programs it compiles are far too big! :-(

But just getting back to COBOL, it's just a pity I
couldn't do anything with it, which could have some
fun to it. COBOL 85 especally, there's newer COBOLs
now, but it would simply be too easy to write something
up & it would be more fun having it for an older
computer.

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
I did many years worth of COBOL programming both on IBM mainframes and, believe it or not, AT&T 3B2 UNIX systems.

I'd have to say that it is not my preferred language. . .

Erik
 
CP/M user wrote:
Heh! Pictured me as being past my
prime in my Forties! :) Maybe when
I'm forty, I act like a Sixty year ol'
(Sounds Spooky!).

I think I screwed up your age, due to your fav. Dr. Who, Pat Troughton.

I had you pegged as a young kid in the sixties, watching the old B&W's

Chris
 
Erik said:
I did many years worth of COBOL programming both on IBM mainframes and, believe it or not, AT&T 3B2 UNIX systems.

I'd have to say that it is not my preferred language. . .

Erik

Ever try PL/M? Just made a trip to the local SallyAnn & picked up a couple of interesting books. One is A Guide To PL/M Programming For Microcomputer Applications, by Daniel McCracken, dated 1977, and the other is a 968-page Hitachi 8-Bit Single-Chip Microcomputer Databook, dated July, 1985. Think I'll download the PL/M compiler from The Commercial CP/M webpage and try my hand at it a little. The Databook is kewl, too. I've scoured the web looking for a datasheet for the Hitachi 6301V0P that is in my Epson HX-20, and now one practically falls into my lap. I'm gonna have some fun tonite.

--T
 
I haven't tried PL/M although I did code in Fortran for a bit.

That said, I have no idea where you could find a Fortran compiler. . .

Sorry,

E
 
"vic user" wrote:

> I think I screwed up your age, due to your fav.
> Dr. Who, Pat Troughton.

It is odd & perhaps unique for someone like me to
like someone who dates before my time. I thought
I mentioned Tom Baker as the first doctor I first
saw, or perhaps I said, while Tom Baker was very
good Doctor, I enjoyed the shows I've seen with
Patrick in. Unfortunately, there isn't much to go by,
there's Tomb of the Cybermen, not quite a complete
story with The Ice Warriors & The Invasion & 5
other stories (from season 6), which I all have.

> I had you pegged as a young kid in the sixties,
> watching the old B&W's

Well not quite, I might of been a different person
if that was the case, cause I might have
remembered a number of those missing episodes.

I might have talked about footage from missing
episodes, but that was from footage remaining
from missing episodes, shown on the special
documentary about those stories.

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
"Terry Yager" wrote:

> Ever try PL/M? Just made a trip to the local
> SallyAnn & picked up a couple of interesting
> books. One is -"A Guide To PL/M
> Programming For Microcomputer Applications"-,
> by Daniel McCracken, dated 1977, and the
> other is a 968-page -"Hitachi 8-Bit Single-Chip
> Microcomputer Databook"-, dated July, 1985.
> Think I'll download the PL/M compiler from
> The Commercial CP/M webpage and try my
> hand at it a little. The Databook is kewl, too.
> I've scoured the web looking for a datasheet
> for the Hitachi 6301V0P that is in my Epson
> HX-20, and now one practically falls into my
> lap. I'm gonna have some fun tonite.

Planning on writing your own OS Terry? On
famous chap, too that language & wrote CP/M
with it! ;-) If you're looking for names then
perhaps "TYOS" might work!

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
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