AGP compatibility question

[Svenska]

I used to work IT for a hospital.

Maybe your hospital got lucky, then. Elsewhere, medical machines crash after someone did a portscan of the local network through WiFi.

Microsoft has virtually zero trust when it comes to security anything.

Frankly, there are too many Microsoft-based servers (and services) out there for that to be true. Their track record isn't great (but neither are sendmail or apache's...) and while I won't use their software for server usage, others happily do.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

Maybe your hospital got lucky, then. Elsewhere, medical machines crash after someone did a portscan of the local network through WiFi.

I found an appliance at a hospital with an uptime of 1,425 days or 3.9 years. I think it depends on the IT staff at the hospital and how management views IT.

 

[GiGaBiTe]

Maybe your hospital got lucky, then. Elsewhere, medical machines crash after someone did a portscan of the local network through WiFi.

None of the important imaging machines were connected to a network, or even had a method of connecting to any network. To get the data off of the control computers, they had CD burners with stacks of CD-R media. The MRI machine was run by an SGI Octane2.

Frankly, there are too many Microsoft-based servers (and services) out there for that to be true. Their track record isn't great (but neither are sendmail or apache's...) and while I won't use their software for server usage, others happily do.

And they're all getting owned all the time. You can throw a proverbial rock out on the internet with NMAP and Metasploit and hit thousands of vulnerable Windows boxes.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

None of the important imaging machines were connected to a network, or even had a method of connecting to any network. To get the data off of the control computers, they had CD burners with stacks of CD-R media. The MRI machine was run by an SGI Octane2.

Can't ever get more secure than an air-gap.

You also can't have a virus get to a machine by burning a CD on it. Stuff like that will keep CD burners in the market for decades to come.

 

[Maikudou]

"AGP compatibility question" indeed

 

[hunterjwizzard]

"AGP compatibility question" indeed

Welcome to the VCF forums. Every conversation that goes on long enough eventually comes around to air-gapping.

 

[Eudimorphodon]

Welcome to the VCF forums. Every conversation that goes on long enough eventually comes around to air-gapping.

“That’s what she said!” (*rimshot*)

 

[geordiepingu]

I am in a somewhat similar boat trying to find the best card* on a budget for a 440bx. I’ve seen a bunch of posts on other boards suggesting AGP 2x compatibility on 6 series cards is pot luck despite the keying. I’ve stuck to the 5 series as a result - rightly or wrongly. Hoping to learn from other people’s experiments…

 

[Wallace_n_Gromit]

That's actually been the main goal of my retro funtimes. See, in 1998 I got my first computer: an eMachines eTower 433i. TA 433mhc Celeron with 32mb of RAM and no graphics accelerator. Real fun, huh? That was my computer until I think 2001, I still didn't get my first real GPU until 2003 at the earliest.

I recall getting a notice of a class action against the eMachines Tower 466id many many years ago. I had long before packed it away in the back of my dusty closet. Seems the 3.5" floppy drive was eating floppy disks (corrupting disk data) in the allegations. As part of the settlement, plaintiffs were offered cash or access to a virtual store for a variety of PC's, laptops, notebooks.

eMachines Computer Class Action Settlement

Claim cash or a replacement computer from eMachines floppy disk class action lawsuit settlement.

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I got the Acer Aspire V5-122P-0643 notebook with touch screen. I still have both computers. After all, the eMachines claimed "This computer is NEVER OBSOLETE".

 

[hunterjwizzard]

I am in a somewhat similar boat trying to find the best card* on a budget for a 440bx. I’ve seen a bunch of posts on other boards suggesting AGP 2x compatibility on 6 series cards is pot luck despite the keying. I’ve stuck to the 5 series as a result - rightly or wrongly. Hoping to learn from other people’s experiments…

What CPU are you running on there and what's your budget for an AGP card?

I recall getting a notice of a class action against the eMachines Tower 466id many many years ago. I had long before packed it away in the back of my dusty closet. Seems the 3.5" floppy drive was eating floppy disks (corrupting disk data) in the allegations. As part of the settlement, plaintiffs were offered cash or access to a virtual store for a variety of PC's, laptops, notebooks.

eMachines Computer Class Action Settlement

Claim cash or a replacement computer from eMachines floppy disk class action lawsuit settlement.

topclassactions.com

I got the Acer Aspire V5-122P-0643 notebook with touch screen. I still have both computers. After all, the eMachines claimed "This computer is NEVER OBSOLETE".

Ha! Kinda sorry I missed this My family had 3 emachines(one for each child) and I THINK back in 2013 or so I still had all 3 towers accounted for. Only have the 1 now.

 

[Wallace_n_Gromit]

What CPU are you running on there and what's your budget for an AGP card?



Ha! Kinda sorry I missed this My family had 3 emachines(one for each child) and I THINK back in 2013 or so I still had all 3 towers accounted for. Only have the 1 now.

I think lesson learned here is:
1) either buy online where law firms can track you down (that's kind of a good thing/bad thing situation, I guess)
2) fill out that registration card.

 

[geordiepingu]

What CPU are you running on there and what's your budget for an AGP card?

TBC. Appetite might change if my slotket modding lets me go from dual 700 P3s to dual Celeron 1100s… Coppermine based is the answer for now. At the moment I bought a PNY FX5600 as a stop gap because it was dirt cheap. If the right ultra came around though, why not.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

TBC. Appetite might change if my slotket modding lets me go from dual 700 P3s to dual Celeron 1100s… Coppermine based is the answer for now. At the moment I bought a PNY FX5600 as a stop gap because it was dirt cheap. If the right ultra came around though, why not.

In that case may I humbly recommend one of the early AGP Quadro cards such as the FX1100? They can be had for as little as $30USD, and while the actual performance may not be as impressive as a late model GeForce card, nothing pares better with a dual-processor system than a Quadro card.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

I think lesson learned here is:
1) either buy online where law firms can track you down (that's kind of a good thing/bad thing situation, I guess)
2) fill out that registration card.

Its entirely possible we received the notifications and shredded them. I vaguely recall my dad was aware the class action suit had happened but didn't expect to get anything out of it and never followed up. Kind of a shame since it looks like it was worth a free computer. But Somehow I think I'll soldier on.

 

[Eudimorphodon]

Appetite might change if my slotket modding lets me go from dual 700 P3s to dual Celeron 1100s…

Didn't Intel definitively neuter the SMP ability of Celerons from the Coppermine forward? Granted it's been 20 years since this question was relevant, but casual googling nets me zero solid evidence that anyone's gotten SMP to work on post-Mendocino celery.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

Didn't Intel definitively neuter the SMP ability of Celerons from the Coppermine forward? Granted it's been 20 years since this question was relevant, but casual googling nets me zero solid evidence that anyone's gotten SMP to work on post-Mendocino celery.

Honestly with socket 370 PIIIs being relatively cheap and widely available I question why anyone would ever use a celeron. But I also do a lot of weird things no one else would do. So I do get it.

 

[hunterjwizzard]

Dumb question but where does one even get a decent slocket these days? They seem to run the gambit from "ultra cheap specialized for one specific board" to "unobtanium".

 

[GiGaBiTe]

That's the general basis of Slotkets, they're more often than not proprietary and designed for a specific board, or specific board manufacturer. There was no official spec for adapting a PGA370 to a Slot 1, it was just whoever designed the thing connecting pins from one interface to another. Some more advanced slotkets had integrated VRMs, multiplier settings and late ones had the modifications required to run Tualatin chips in Slot 1.

BIOS support is another issue. Outside boards specifically designed for Slotkets, BIOSes in machines often don't have the correct microcode for the PGA370 CPUs. This results in errant behavior, or the board simply not booting.

I have a few Slotkets myself, and they don't work at all on Slot 1 motherboards from other vendors than the one they came with.