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Firefox Internet Security Issue

The browser executes foreign Javascript (or tries to), which may be injected through ads or other sources. Really old systems may be hit by domain squatting, where the original domain has come under new ownership. Fingerprinting allows malicious code to target specific systems, to stay largely undetected.

A NAT won't protect you if it is your browser issuing the request. If malicious code gets into your system, it can use STUN to facilitate direct connections between NAT systems, building botnets.

As soon as you assume being behind a NAT, only visiting perfectly secure and well-maintained websites, and browsers which never go anywhere else on their own, you are probably fine. Systems too old to be usable (such as DOS or early Windows machines or early Macintoshes) are also fine, as they fail to execute malicious code. Although the 16-bit versions of Internet Explorer and especially Outlook Express on Windows 3.1 were accidentally weaponized; their parsing and scripting engines were largely compatible with their 32-bit counterparts.
 
Wait but reaching is impossible due to NAT. Unless you allow the router to be configured by OS via upnp which I think is bollocks.

Reaching out and touching a NAT client is not impossible. There have been exploits for decades that can compromise devices behind NAT, and more are being discovered all the time.

One example: https://arxiv.org/html/2404.04601v1
Another: https://github.com/samyk/pwnat

Many of these exploits rely on insecure routers that have bugs, vulnerabilities or being badly configured, or a combination of them to get through NAT and into the internal network.

But this is just the network layer, if the victim machine has been compromised from a browser vulnerability, then NAT is irrelevant since the victim can just do NAT traversal or other methods to send/receive data/commands.
 
Well, insecure browser, insecure OS, insecure router...

I'd say any concept of security begins with owning your network. If your network is served from some home-box-router consumer thing, your network security is not high to begin with. When I was with ISP we would sometimes get complaints from gamers about ping and we could basically do stuff on their LAN from the router's management CLI. I'm sure it is all covered under laws but the option that somebody can put packets on your LAN is absurd in my head.

Having a secure network is cheap and I think every computer professional should have one, for me exploitable gateways are merely point of discussion, nobody should take that shit into account IRL...if you don't trust your router, change it.
 
Security isn't binary. A cheap lock on a bad door isn't great, but it surely beats not having a door in the first place.

Using an insecure web browser on an insecure operating system on a constantly and actively attacked internet for anything productive is... equivalent to not having a door. And drawing arrows on the walls.

The world of IPv4 is an active warzone. Trusting that vs trusting my ISP are different worlds, but neither deserves my house and SSH keys.
 
If the ISP or data center isn't trustworthy, no amount of caution at the user level will help. How much risk is acceptable is a user decision. One can suggest that people not do things with likely bad outcomes.

I have a system that can boot into Windows 7. I try to keep the browser and antivirus updated to current levels just in case but I also don't intend to browse the web from it.
 
Since we have established that sites such as Lowe's and Home Depot no longer work with Firefox on Windows 7, I tried getting into Home Depot using Chrome (same computer on windows 7) and from a Windows 10 machine using Norton Private Browser.

While both Chrome and NPB got into Home Depot, I noticed neither one really works. After searching for any product, the first page will appear. While there may be up to 20 items shown, it always says it is only showing items 1-4 of xxxx. And any attempt to go to page 2 just ends up back at page 1. So it appears there is a bit more going on with the changes that have been made.

Which leads me to a basic question, probably asked a million times before. If I want to stay on the Windows platform, do I constantly have to upgrade my OS and potentially my hardware just to browse the web?

Thanks...Joe
 
"do I constantly have to upgrade my OS and potentially my hardware just to browse the web?"

yes, and it is an operating system agnostic intentional "feature" of the corporate web
 
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