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So, my IBM 5155's screen started pulsating at me (larger, smaller, larger, smaller) and I'm pretty sure I recognize the syndrome from my MacPlus: the flyback transformer is about to blow.

I seem to recall hearing "life hack" tips like, "Stick epoxy on the outside" to keep a flyback transformer working, but I was wondering if anyone here had ever tried anything like that? Any success? Or, any reason it would be a bad idea?

I think my first step will be cleaning out the anode cap and putting some heat sink compound under it to prevent discharge. (It might be an old wives tale, but it did seem to help my MacPlus.)

Anyone know a good source for replacement 5155 flybacks? (I hope they're not as hard to find as it was for the MacPlus...)
 
The probability of the flyback transformer in the 5155 monitor being the cause of your fault is nearly zero.

You don't need to put epoxy anywhere near anything.

It is a daft idea to put "heat sink compound" under the anode cap, unless you are referring to what was heat sink compound in the 1960's and 1970's, which was purely clear silicone grease used on mica insulating washers.Even then, there is no need to add it.

The flyback transformer is not "about to blow" and this emotive language makes no scientific sense at all.

I know the IBM 5155 VDU like the back of my hand and could draw out its schematic in my sleep.

If you care to post a video of the defect, I can make some suggestions about where to look for the problem.

Smaller and larger display suggests fluctuating power supply voltage to the monitor. The power supply for the IBM 5155 VDU is unique and there is a special sub-system for in in the computer's smps, see page 17 of this article:

https://www.worldphaco.com/uploads/T...WER_SUPPLY.pdf

I would be looking there first after checking the supply connections.
 
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It is a daft idea to put "heat sink compound" under the anode cap, unless you are referring to what was heat sink compound in the 1960's and 1970's, which was purely clear silicone grease used on mica insulating washers.Even then, there is no need to add it.
To add to this: modern heat sink compound is conductive, so that idea is not only daft but highly dangerous. When it comes to HV, don't try things you have heard somewhere.

Make sure the anode cap and its surroundings are clean and you're fine. There's nothing else to do there.
 
i agree and doubt the problem is a bad flyback. regardless of what youtube says they dont fail thst often. they do however becaude of thier weight cause broken solderjoints and sometimes cracks on the pcb around there they are mounted but i doubt thsts a problem on the 5155. the psu on thr 5155 is terrible and a cause of many problems. certainly was for me.


and lets agree to never say or make mention of "lifehacks" again.. there is too much complete bullshit being spewed on the internet as is. leave that nonsense for the facebook people.
 
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Hello all - found this post and thought I'd try my hand here first.....(if this needs to be moved to another forum or post, please advise and I can do that)

I have a 5155 where the flyback is not showing signs of life - the power supply is putting out voltage on P12 (unregulated 24v and when connected to the CRT Board 12V)

I have the schmatics for the 5155 from the minus zero degrees website (I used it to determine issues with my 5155's bios) - and so now my troubleshooting moves to the CRT -

When the 5155 is powered on, there is no measured voltage at the Anode of the flyback (tested while it was connected to the CRT with a high voltage probe - and wearing lineman's gloves and rubber to insulate myself)

Where abouts should I start to look for issues with lead in power? I have checked and cleaned the bottom side of the CRT PCB (yes it has been dismantled) and most all of the caps look to be in fine shape (although in-circuit testing was NOT done) I have also looked for cracks and bad solder joints and reflowed where I felt it needed it -

Thoughts from anyone? (note: I am no where near a CRT expert, and the diagram is a bit of a mess for me to properly diagnose so any hints on where to start would be helpful)

Thanks all
 
When the 5155 is powered on, there is no measured voltage at the Anode of the flyback (tested while it was connected to the CRT with a high voltage probe - and wearing lineman's gloves and rubber to insulate myself)

Thanks all
The design of EHT voltage measuring probes for CRT's is such you can just use them without the lineman stuff, they already have the required insulation. You really only need that insulation, like a lineman does, when the high voltage source has a low internal resistance. The high voltage output on a small CRT anode connector, as a voltage source, has a very high internal resistance, it can only source a few milliamps at best, not the required 30 mA to likely kill you, if you got connected across it would be unpleasant though. It is not like an 11kV transmision line which can coagulate your blood vessels and blow parts off your body to pieces even though the voltage levels might be similar.

In the VDU the EHT voltage is generated from the collapsing magnetic field in a small sized transformer core and that resonance, which is around a half cycle of a 50kHz wave is easily damped by loading, and the filter capacitance of the CRT bulb is only about 500pF and cannot store enough energy to kill you. If you got a zap from it it would feel similar to one from a car or lawnmower's spark plug cable.

In the early days of Television though, before the types of Flyback power supplies that became common in modern computer VDU's and TV's, they provided the CRT's EHT voltage from a line transformer and because of the much lower operating frequency, it required substantial capacitance after the EHT rectifier to smooth it and as a supply it had a low internal resistance. Those CRT power supplies, popular before WW2 could easily source the required current to kill people and they got the nickname "The Widowmaker"

If you scan and post the schematic of theVDU here, I can makes notes on it for you of places to test and re-post it.

On the topic of the 5155 power supply, it is a wonderful design, with a separate regulator for the VDU. The reason I say that is it has advanced protections so that any failure mode in it cannot damage the precious chips downstream on the mobo & drives. People say bad things about them, but there is really no such thing as a 5155 PSU that cannot be repaired. The problem is that if the technician cannot understand them, they cannot diagnose and repair them, then they get forced to replace them with some generic psu, which mostly are not as good in the protections department.
 
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The design of EHT voltage measuring probes for CRT's is such you can just use them without the lineman stuff, they already have the required insulation. You really only need that insulation, like a lineman does, when the high voltage source has a low internal resistance. The high voltage output on a small CRT anode connector, as a voltage source, has a very high internal resistance, it can only source a few milliamps at best, not the required 30 mA to likely kill you, if you got connected across it would be unpleasant though. It is not like an 11kV transmision line which can coagulate your blood vessels and blow parts off your body to pieces even though the voltage levels might be similar.

In the VDU the EHT voltage is generated from the collapsing magnetic field in a small sized transformer core and that resonance, which is around a half cycle of a 50kHz wave is easily damped by loading, and the filter capacitance of the CRT bulb is only about 500pF and cannot store enough energy to kill you. If you got a zap from it it would feel similar to one from a car or lawnmower's spark plug cable.

In the early days of Television though, before the types of Flyback power supplies that became common in modern computer VDU's and TV's, they provided the CRT's EHT voltage from a line transformer and because of the much lower operating frequency, it required substantial capacitance after the EHT rectifier to smooth it and as a supply it had a low internal resistance. Those CRT power supplies, popular before WW2 could easily source the required current to kill people and they got the nickname "The Widowmaker"

If you scan and post the schematic of theVDU here, I can makes notes on it for you of places to test and re-post it.

On the topic of the 5155 power supply, it is a wonderful design, with a separate regulator for the VDU. The reason I say that is it has advanced protections so that any failure mode in it cannot damage the precious chips downstream on the mobo & drives. People say bad things about them, but there is really no such thing as a 5155 PSU that cannot be repaired. The problem is that if the technician cannot understand them, they cannot diagnose and repair them, then they get forced to replace them with some generic psu, which mostly are not as good in the protections department.
Appreciate the info on the use of protection - always good to see that I am "over doing it" LOL

The spec sheet I am using comes from the only source I can find online


This PDF is only a few pages in length - so this is about all I have to go by - some of it makes sense to me, and a few bits don't - escpically around the area where it concerns the flyback and where it is getting its voltages from....
 
Ok, I know about that link.

Years ago sitting exams I realised if I wanted an A+ a few extra things had to be done, aside from answering the questions correctly, you have to make it easy for someone else to help you. So I imagined the examiner up late at night, with an ashtray full of cigarette butts and only half a glass of Bourbon left with about 30 papers still to mark, and his dry eyes really getting to him. So the writing had to be legible and crystal clear with enough spaces in the presentation of an essay to be concise and not ramble, the method always worked for me.

When you find a schematic split in two what you need to do is assemble into one if possible in a photo editor. I have done it for you this time, as its your first go. That makes it easier for someone else to comment on it and make suggestions of what and where to test things without having to spend extra time and do extra work.

Because the 5155 VDU is quite the masterpiece, I have added some additional information to help you, by labelling its working parts.

One thing of interest is that it has two transistors wired as a PUT (programmable Unijunction transistor) to make the vertical scan oscillator. The Horizontal scan oscillator uses a chip with an integrated AFC (automatic frequency control system) to lock the H scan rate to the incoming sync pulse rate. This is much like a TV in that, due to the fact it has separate H & V scan oscillators, it does not have to rely on the sync pulses from the computer to run and it can create a raster scan with no video signal/syncs plugged onto it. This is quite unlike many other computer VDU's, such as those in the PET or the IBM5151, that require an H drive pulse for the H scan and EHT system to run. So if the CRT/raster scan is blanked out with the brightness control turned right up, you cannot blame that on missing signals from the computer. The separate H scan oscillator makes the VDU totally resistant to damage from any abnormal signals (regardless how disordered they are) coming from the computer.

Other features that make this VDU good , as you will notice the video signal is coupled into it via a capacitor. This causes the DC information and black level to be lost, but they clamped the signal later and that re-stabilizes the video black level. The video output stage has a Cascode configuration and that has a very wide bandwidth to over 7MHz. Due to that, and the CRT having a small spot size (smaller than a typical TV CRT) the resolution of this VDU for fine detail is excellent. Though when it is fed with a color signal, it goes against it, in that severe dot patterning is seen, but if you remove the color carrier, by disconnecting a resistor on the computer's video card, it substantially improves the video image.

This unit has a typical Horizontal output stage & flyback transformer. It is a configuration where the 12V supply is introduced via a diode (check that) to the primary, and an auxiliary winding charges a boost capacitor. In normal operation therefore, the boost voltage is in the 16V vicinity, higher than the supply voltage.

The HOT (horizonatal output transistor) collector current scans the right half of the raster, then when it is cut off by the drive voltage, you get half a cycle of resonance from the flyback transformer (FBT) seen as a high voltage pulse on the collector of the HOT (This is transformed up and peak rectified to create the EHT for the CRT), however the collector voltage is prevented swinging negative because the ERD (energy recovery diode aka damper diode) conducts and the magnetic field of the yoke and FBT is controlled to a linear ramp like decay to scan the left side of the raster. One interesting feature here, as is the case in all VDU's the active drive from the driver transistor stage is such that when the driver transistor is conducting, this switches the HOT off. The HOT is only switched on by the collapsing magnetic field from the small driver transformer's core, stored from the previous part of its operating cycle. The output stage also has the typical magnetic H scan linearity coil and a width coil in series with the yoke coils and the special coupling capacitor there, known as the S correction capacitor. Do not replace that one with an ordinary capacitor, it is a special part.

In any case, since it seems currently that the H scan stage is not operational and there is no EHT there are a few simple checks to do first. One is to check that the 12V is arriving at the circuit. The second is with the unit in the powered OFF state, check the fusible resistors there (they label them "failsafe" resistors) especially the one feeding the primary of the driver transformer. With no H drive to the B-E circuit of the HOT, the circuit will be dead. Then after that, there are many more checks including checking the Horizontal drive from the IC, via the driver stage to the HOT's B-E junction and the HOT itself and then the FBT as required, post what you find so far.

PS: I had previously determined that the IC in this unit is the Motorola MC1391P.
 

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Ok, I know about that link.

Years ago sitting exams I realised if I wanted an A+ a few extra things had to be done, aside from answering the questions correctly, you have to make it easy for someone else to help you. So I imagined the examiner up late at night, with an ashtray full of cigarette butts and only half a glass of Bourbon left with about 30 papers still to mark, and his dry eyes really getting to him. So the writing had to be legible and crystal clear with enough spaces in the presentation of an essay to be concise and not ramble, the method always worked for me.

When you find a schematic split in two what you need to do is assemble into one if possible in a photo editor. I have done it for you this time, as its your first go. That makes it easier for someone else to comment on it and make suggestions of what and where to test things without having to spend extra time and do extra work.

Because the 5155 VDU is quite the masterpiece, I have added some additional information to help you, by labelling its working parts.

One thing of interest is that it has two transistors wired as a PUT (programmable Unijunction transistor) to make the vertical scan oscillator. The Horizontal scan oscillator uses a chip with an integrated AFC (automatic frequency control system) to lock the H scan rate to the incoming sync pulse rate. This is much like a TV in that, due to the fact it has separate H & V scan oscillators, it does not have to rely on the sync pulses from the computer to run and it can create a raster scan with no video signal/syncs plugged onto it. This is quite unlike many other computer VDU's, such as those in the PET or the IBM5151, that require an H drive pulse for the H scan and EHT system to run. So if the CRT/raster scan is blanked out with the brightness control turned right up, you cannot blame that on missing signals from the computer. The separate H scan oscillator makes the VDU totally resistant to damage from any abnormal signals (regardless how disordered they are) coming from the computer.

Other features that make this VDU good , as you will notice the video signal is coupled into it via a capacitor. This causes the DC information and black level to be lost, but they clamped the signal later and that re-stabilizes the video black level. The video output stage has a Cascode configuration and that has a very wide bandwidth to over 7MHz. Due to that, and the CRT having a small spot size (smaller than a typical TV CRT) the resolution of this VDU for fine detail is excellent. Though when it is fed with a color signal, it goes against it, in that severe dot patterning is seen, but if you remove the color carrier, by disconnecting a resistor on the computer's video card, it substantially improves the video image.

This unit has a typical Horizontal output stage & flyback transformer. It is a configuration where the 12V supply is introduced via a diode (check that) to the primary, and an auxiliary winding charges a boost capacitor. In normal operation therefore, the boost voltage is in the 16V vicinity, higher than the supply voltage.

The HOT (horizonatal output transistor) collector current scans the right half of the raster, then when it is cut off by the drive voltage, you get half a cycle of resonance from the flyback transformer (FBT) seen as a high voltage pulse on the collector of the HOT (This is transformed up and peak rectified to create the EHT for the CRT), however the collector voltage is prevented swinging negative because the ERD (energy recovery diode aka damper diode) conducts and the magnetic field of the yoke and FBT is controlled to a linear ramp like decay to scan the left side of the raster. One interesting feature here, as is the case in all VDU's the active drive from the driver transistor stage is such that when the driver transistor is conducting, this switches the HOT off. The HOT is only switched on by the collapsing magnetic field from the small driver transformer's core, stored from the previous part of its operating cycle. The output stage also has the typical magnetic H scan linearity coil and a width coil in series with the yoke coils and the special coupling capacitor there, known as the S correction capacitor. Do not replace that one with an ordinary capacitor, it is a special part.

In any case, since it seems currently that the H scan stage is not operational and there is no EHT there are a few simple checks to do first. One is to check that the 12V is arriving at the circuit. The second is with the unit in the powered OFF state, check the fusible resistors there (they label them "failsafe" resistors) especially the one feeding the primary of the driver transformer. With no H drive to the B-E circuit of the HOT, the circuit will be dead. Then after that, there are many more checks including checking the Horizontal drive from the IC, via the driver stage to the HOT's B-E junction and the HOT itself and then the FBT as required, post what you find so far.

PS: I had previously determined that the IC in this unit is the Motorola MC1391P.
Thank you - I will report back when I have gone through some of the basic troubleshooting.... appreciate the help as always!
 
Ok, I know about that link.

Years ago sitting exams I realised if I wanted an A+ a few extra things had to be done, aside from answering the questions correctly, you have to make it easy for someone else to help you. So I imagined the examiner up late at night, with an ashtray full of cigarette butts and only half a glass of Bourbon left with about 30 papers still to mark, and his dry eyes really getting to him. So the writing had to be legible and crystal clear with enough spaces in the presentation of an essay to be concise and not ramble, the method always worked for me.

When you find a schematic split in two what you need to do is assemble into one if possible in a photo editor. I have done it for you this time, as its your first go. That makes it easier for someone else to comment on it and make suggestions of what and where to test things without having to spend extra time and do extra work.

Because the 5155 VDU is quite the masterpiece, I have added some additional information to help you, by labelling its working parts.

One thing of interest is that it has two transistors wired as a PUT (programmable Unijunction transistor) to make the vertical scan oscillator. The Horizontal scan oscillator uses a chip with an integrated AFC (automatic frequency control system) to lock the H scan rate to the incoming sync pulse rate. This is much like a TV in that, due to the fact it has separate H & V scan oscillators, it does not have to rely on the sync pulses from the computer to run and it can create a raster scan with no video signal/syncs plugged onto it. This is quite unlike many other computer VDU's, such as those in the PET or the IBM5151, that require an H drive pulse for the H scan and EHT system to run. So if the CRT/raster scan is blanked out with the brightness control turned right up, you cannot blame that on missing signals from the computer. The separate H scan oscillator makes the VDU totally resistant to damage from any abnormal signals (regardless how disordered they are) coming from the computer.

Other features that make this VDU good , as you will notice the video signal is coupled into it via a capacitor. This causes the DC information and black level to be lost, but they clamped the signal later and that re-stabilizes the video black level. The video output stage has a Cascode configuration and that has a very wide bandwidth to over 7MHz. Due to that, and the CRT having a small spot size (smaller than a typical TV CRT) the resolution of this VDU for fine detail is excellent. Though when it is fed with a color signal, it goes against it, in that severe dot patterning is seen, but if you remove the color carrier, by disconnecting a resistor on the computer's video card, it substantially improves the video image.

This unit has a typical Horizontal output stage & flyback transformer. It is a configuration where the 12V supply is introduced via a diode (check that) to the primary, and an auxiliary winding charges a boost capacitor. In normal operation therefore, the boost voltage is in the 16V vicinity, higher than the supply voltage.

The HOT (horizonatal output transistor) collector current scans the right half of the raster, then when it is cut off by the drive voltage, you get half a cycle of resonance from the flyback transformer (FBT) seen as a high voltage pulse on the collector of the HOT (This is transformed up and peak rectified to create the EHT for the CRT), however the collector voltage is prevented swinging negative because the ERD (energy recovery diode aka damper diode) conducts and the magnetic field of the yoke and FBT is controlled to a linear ramp like decay to scan the left side of the raster. One interesting feature here, as is the case in all VDU's the active drive from the driver transistor stage is such that when the driver transistor is conducting, this switches the HOT off. The HOT is only switched on by the collapsing magnetic field from the small driver transformer's core, stored from the previous part of its operating cycle. The output stage also has the typical magnetic H scan linearity coil and a width coil in series with the yoke coils and the special coupling capacitor there, known as the S correction capacitor. Do not replace that one with an ordinary capacitor, it is a special part.

In any case, since it seems currently that the H scan stage is not operational and there is no EHT there are a few simple checks to do first. One is to check that the 12V is arriving at the circuit. The second is with the unit in the powered OFF state, check the fusible resistors there (they label them "failsafe" resistors) especially the one feeding the primary of the driver transformer. With no H drive to the B-E circuit of the HOT, the circuit will be dead. Then after that, there are many more checks including checking the Horizontal drive from the IC, via the driver stage to the HOT's B-E junction and the HOT itself and then the FBT as required, post what you find so far.

PS: I had previously determined that the IC in this unit is the Motorola MC1391P.
OK - So I did test each of the "Fail safe" resistors (labeled RX...) and they all were fine - I suspected the IC101 so I removed it - the legs of the chip were in bad shape, but I had delivered some of the replacements MP1391P that the minus zero degree's site indicated - I also looked to ensure the P12 connector from the power supply was cleaned and making good contact...

So now I have life....

My next question is - how do I get the image on the screen to shift from the far right to the left side where it is suppose to b? what you see on the image (see attached) - I assume this could be a bad cap or something more simple than that? Adjusting the horz control only changes the sweep rate and distorts the image, it doesn't shift it over... (disregard the scan color issues - this is my cell phone camera and its not set to the same refresh rate)

Thoughts? And again thank you so much for the help thus far!
Rich
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Yes, I was the one to discover what that IC was, and then that got added to the minuszerodegrees site, and shock & horror, it wasn't the flyback transformer after all :) It is strange how that part always gets the blame first especially on youtube.

To make sense out of that fault, we have to distinguish between the raster scan and the picture information timing within the raster scan. So, if you can turn the brightness up briefly, so that the raster scan becomes visible,take a photo & we can then decide where the problem likely is.
 
Yes, I was the one to discover what that IC was, and then that got added to the minuszerodegrees site, and shock & horror, it wasn't the flyback transformer after all :) It is strange how that part always gets the blame first especially on youtube.

To make sense out of that fault, we have to distinguish between the raster scan and the picture information timing within the raster scan. So, if you can turn the brightness up briefly, so that the raster scan becomes visible,take a photo & we can then decide where the problem likely is.
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Here is what the screen looks like with the contrast and brightness turned up :)
 
Ok, from that image the VDU is making a normal raster scan. There is nothing wrong with the production of the raster or the beam centering on the CRT. Possibly the VDU itself is ok.

But what has happened is that the start of the scan, on the immediate left hand side of the raster has become synchronised in time with a point about halfway through the horizontal line scan timing of the picture information. One peculiarity is in that dark zone you can see in the middle, which is the H blanking time, there is a thin strip where the beam brightens up. That is abnormal, it should go black. It is acting as though the H sync pulse, being fed to the VDU from the computer's video card, has become inverted or it somehoe gas a bifurcated sync pulse.

Initially at least, this is looking like an abnormal signal sent to the VDU, rather than a VDU fault, but lets keep an open mind.

There are a few possibilties for this, for example if there is an abnormal pulse in the middle of each scan line, coming from the video card, that is right in about the middle of each scan line and the H AFC has locked to that. Or say the AFC circuit in the chip you replaced (or one of its support components) have failed and there is a phase shift.

The first move here, before the next step is taken, is to examine the incoming video signal being set to the VDU on the scope or send thevideo output signal from the video card to a compostie VDU...is the video card you have the standard IBM GGA card ?

Generally you would set the scope for maybe in the order of 20uS per horizontal division and 1V/cm amplitude sensitivity, so a couple of lines of horizontal video and sync information can be seen.

If the signal being sent to the VDU is ok, then there is a fault in the VDU in the H AFC circuit components from the flyback transformer that feeds the chip you replaced.
 
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Ok, from that image the VDU is making a normal raster scan. There is nothing wrong with the production of the raster or the beam centering on the CRT. Possibly the VDU itself is ok.

But what has happened is that the start of the scan, on the immediate left hand side of the raster has become synchronised in time with a point about halfway through the horizontal line scan timing of the picture information. One peculiarity is in that dark zone you can see in the middle, which is the H blanking time, there is a thin strip where the beam brightens up. That is abnormal, it should go black. It is acting as though the H sync pulse, being fed to the VDU from the computer's video card, has become inverted or it somehoe gas a bifurcated sync pulse.

Initially at least, this is looking like an abnormal signal sent to the VDU, rather than a VDU fault, but lets keep an open mind.

There are a few possibilties for this, for example if there is an abnormal pulse in the middle of each scan line, coming from the video card, that is right in about the middle of each scan line and the H AFC has locked to that. Or say the AFC circuit in the chip you replaced (or one of its support components) have failed and there is a phase shift.

The first move here, before the next step is taken, is to examine the incoming video signal being set to the VDU on the scope or send thevideo output signal from the video card to a compostie VDU...is the video card you have the standard IBM GGA card ?

Generally you would set the scope for maybe in the order of 20uS per horizontal division and 1V/cm amplitude sensitivity, so a couple of lines of horizontal video and sync information can be seen.

If the signal being sent to the VDU is ok, then there is a fault in the VDU in the H AFC circuit components from the flyback transformer that feeds the chip you replaced.
Awesome! Thank you for this....

OK well - here are a few images (and I will try to post a video) of the composite output from the internal video card - for reference this is a stock video card that came with the unit when they were sold :) - this is not the first time I have used this card, but it is the first time I have attempted to pull a video signal from the internal composite pins (the external composite video works fine as I used it while I was troubleshooting the motherboard with a bios issue -

The video shows some interference but that could just be my setup -

also note - I don't often use an O-Scope so I am still working my way through the settings :)
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And this is a screen capture from the external composite video - it was cropped but does display a full normally positioned screen
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Take a close up photo of the pcb where you replaced the IC, top and trackside too showing the IC and associated parts and post those.

What is happening is that the AFC in the IC has frequency locked the H oscillator but there is a phase shift of about 30uS time or so.

How the AFC works is that it is fed, via an RC phase delay and pulse shaper circuit from pulses from the horizontal output stage into pin 4 of that IC, and the H sync pulses fed into pin 3 and it produces a DC error voltage (filtered by a capacitor and RC anti-hunt network on pin 5) to lock the frequency & phase of the H oscillator (which is a VCO) to the incoming H sync. Likely something has gone wrong with one of those components in the phase shift network processing the signal from the H output stage, or one component disconnected or damaged (possibly C104) and the waveshape coming into pin 4 is incorrect. The photos might give it away.

Just to be 100% sure the H sync is arriving correctly at the IC can you scope that at pin 3 on the scope's channel 2 while leaving channel 1 on the normal looking video signal.
 

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Take a close up photo of the pcb where you replaced the IC, top and trackside too showing the IC and associated parts and post those.

What is happening is that the AFC in the IC has frequency locked the H oscillator but there is a phase shift of about 30uS time or so.

How the AFC works is that it is fed, via an RC phase delay and pulse shaper circuit from pulses from the horizontal output stage into pin 4 of that IC, and the H sync pulses fed into pin 3 and it produces a DC error voltage (filtered by a capacitor and RC anti-hunt network on pin 5) to lock the frequency & phase of the H oscillator (which is a VCO) to the incoming H sync. Likely something has gone wrong with one of those components in the phase shift network processing the signal from the H output stage, or one component disconnected or damaged (possibly C104) and the waveshape coming into pin 4 is incorrect. The photos might give it away.

Just to be 100% sure the H sync is arriving correctly at the IC can you scope that at pin 3 on the scope's channel 2 while leaving channel 1 on the normal looking video signal.

OK - see the images below - from what I can gather, the traces seem to be inline with what is being sent from the video card - in the image below - the yellow trace (CH1) is coming from the composite out of the video card, and the blue trace (CH2) is on Pin 3 of the IC101 (MC1391P) - I will also attach a few pics from that part of the board. When i removed the board for cleaning and such a few weeks ago, I checked for loose components and bad solder joints - cleaned both the front and back of the board and then connected it all up ....

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Here are some images of that part of the board around the IC (best I could do without taking it all apart again lol)

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Usually there is something to tie everything together. The fact that the oroginal IC failed (not common) and now a problem in the same area. Need close up photos of the trackwork on the bottom of the board.

The pulse which drives the feedback-pulse shaper which affects the phase delay is presented to one side of R106 that larger sise 56k 1/2W carbon resistor.

On the anode of CR104, which connects to one side of R106 ,looking with the scope, make a recording. Then on the oppssite side of R106 at the junction of C103 and C104 make another recording. A quick meter check in circuit of the resistance of R106 and R114 won't hurt either and we will see if that information helps.
 
You mentioned something about corrosion on the pins of the original chip. In your photo so far, check the left hand leg of R102. It may well be ok but worth checking.
 

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Usually there is something to tie everything together. The fact that the oroginal IC failed (not common) and now a problem in the same area. Need close up photos of the trackwork on the bottom of the board.

The pulse which drives the feedback-pulse shaper which affects the phase delay is presented to one side of R106 that larger sise 56k 1/2W carbon resistor.

On the anode of CR104, which connects to one side of R106 ,looking with the scope, make a recording. Then on the oppssite side of R106 at the junction of C103 and C104 make another recording. A quick meter check in circuit of the resistance of R106 and R114 won't hurt either and we will see if that information helps.
Well..... here we go.....

1) Resistance measured in circuit of R106 is about what is documented on the schmatic - 62.7k OHM
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2) Resistance measured in circuit of R114 is not anywhere near what is documented - 10.53k OHM (should be up near 150k)
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As for the scoped traces per your instructions - the Yellow Trace is on R106 facing CR104, and the blue trace is on R106 facing the junction of C103 and C104
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As for images of the trace side of the board, here is what I have as of a few minutes ago :)

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and you mentioned to look at the legs of R102 - they look to have some residue from my cleaning solution - I can remove it to ensure it does not result in an issue - but the legs do not look greenish in color :)
 
Well..... here we go.....

1) Resistance measured in circuit of R106 is about what is documented on the schmatic - 62.7k OHM
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2) Resistance measured in circuit of R114 is not anywhere near what is documented - 10.53k OHM (should be up near 150k)
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As for the scoped traces per your instructions - the Yellow Trace is on R106 facing CR104, and the blue trace is on R106 facing the junction of C103 and C104
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As for images of the trace side of the board, here is what I have as of a few minutes ago :)

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and you mentioned to look at the legs of R102 - they look to have some residue from my cleaning solution - I can remove it to ensure it does not result in an issue - but the legs do not look greenish in color :)
I have also noted that the diagram shows R106 as a 58K resistor, but when I compare the color bands of the one installed on my board, its a 56k OHM with a 10% variance - meaning if this is true then this resistor is also outside its spec.... or this is the wrong resistor for this part of the board, or the circuit diagram is incorrect.....not sure - as I also noticed another error on the diagram of a component that is mislabeled (duplicated) - Q306 is listed as both the Vert Trace and Vert Output....
 
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