I wonder how long I can expect a new Monitor to last

[Eudimorphodon]

Keep this in mind with shopping for a new LCD. There are only 2 consumer manufacturers of LCD panels; i.e. AU Optronics and LG. Display.
Everything else is aesthetics. Most of the LCD monitor costs goes into "features".

Yeah, this is kind of what I was saying; unless you get suckered into literally buying factory rejects there’s a pretty solid floor when it comes to the minimum quality of at least the LCD panels, which are the core of the whole thing. These companies do of course make different “grades” in different factories (once they’ve invested in a production line for a given technology it’s in their interest to keep it running as long as the products can be considered viable), but this pretty much translates into the worst case being a cheap monitor will have an “obsolete” panel, not necessarily a lower (build) quality one.

 

[cj7hawk]

I never understood the idea of hydrogen powered cars. You burn so much of it that you need the supply to be under great pressure and all cars will eventually leak so you have a major fire hazard or explosion.

This isn't the problem with Hydrogen Powered Cars. Petrol burns. Hydrogen burns. They already power cars from LNG, and that is under pressure and burns. All fuel burns, so comparing one kind of fiery death with another is irrelevant - Diesel is the only safe fuel there, since it's difficult to ignite if it spills.

The real problem with hydrogen is, even in liquid form, it is too light, so you only get 1/10th of the energy density of gasoline per volume.

Think about that for a moment. If your car has a 20 gallon tank with petrol, then you need a 200 gallon tank with hyrdrogen, and it's not going to be a convenient shape either because it's under pressure. So a typical 200 gallon hydrogen tank is going to take up around 2 cubic meters of car structure - the size of a van! Or around 20 cubic feet.

Which means you're going to need a pickup truck just to run off hydrogen, and there's no tray - That's where the massive 200 gallon hydrogen tank is going to go ! Your tank is going to be 6 feet by 3 feet by 3 feet in dimensions and safety structure.

ref: https://www.nrel.gov/docs/gen/fy08/43061.pdf

 

[cj7hawk]

Android tablets are a nightmare; the ecosystem is just flat-out broken. I *like* having a tablet, but after getting burned repeatedly by the Android ecosystem (it doesn't matter how much you spend, you're going to get screwed; in fact, Samsung's attempts at "premium" tablets might actually be the worst in terms of support quality and lifespan) I sucked it up and took the Apple pill... and haven't regretted it. Just buy the $329 model they sell for education and revel in the mediocrity; at least Safari lets you install ad blockers.

Why not a windows tablet? They have a pretty good compromise with their Surface Books.

 

[Eudimorphodon]

Why not a windows tablet? They have a pretty good compromise with their Surface Books.

It’s actually news to me that Microsoft still sells the Surface line, they’re such a niche product.

Anyway, seems like a dumb question, really, but there are a lot of possible answers? I don’t want a 2-in-1, 13” is *way* too big for a tablet, the cheapest Surface is over twice as expensive as the cheapest iPad (and for what I use it for the cheapest iPad is fine, if I want to do real work I have a laptop), Microsoft is the friggin’ worst, at least iPad OS leaves me alone instead of sticking ads in my face *on the start menu for crying out loud*… there’s more, but I think that’s enough.

 

[cj7hawk]

It’s actually news to me that Microsoft still sells the Surface line, they’re such a niche product.

Anyway, seems like a dumb question, really, but there are a lot of possible answers? I don’t want a 2-in-1, 13” is *way* too big for a tablet, the cheapest Surface is over twice as expensive as the cheapest iPad (and for what I use it for the cheapest iPad is fine, if I want to do real work I have a laptop), Microsoft is the friggin’ worst, at least iPad OS leaves me alone instead of sticking ads in my face *on the start menu for crying out loud*… there’s more, but I think that’s enough.

Well, I can't criticize the quality of the answer... And yeah, can completely understand and appreciate the hate of Microsoft since I hate the same things about their OS, but I can't divorce myself from them quite as easily. And I kind of like the Surface Book keyboards and aesthetics.

But you can easily rid yourself of the Microsoft elements and the "Tablet Only" Surfaces still exist - though the Microsoft UI isn't ideal, but it seems you're comfortable with Linux as an OS, and the older surface tablets go for a few dollars now - around $50 or so... Yet still often have good batteries if you look for them. I use them regularly as drawing tablets since the pen is above-average and I just one-note them to my main machine, which is a pretty effective way to do it.

And the smaller surface models not only support linux pretty well, but even the touch screen works - and the size and weight is reasonable.

How I put Linux on a Microsoft Surface Go - in just an hour

Can you take an old Surface and run modern Linux on it?

www.zdnet.com

How to install Linux/Ubuntu on Surface Pro tablets

If you want to install Linux/ Ubuntu on your Surface Pro device, you can use this quick and easy guide to learn more about the steps to follow.

windowsreport.com

So they make pretty good Linux tablets if you want to get away from the Microsoft ecosystem.

 

[Unknown_K]

This isn't the problem with Hydrogen Powered Cars. Petrol burns. Hydrogen burns. They already power cars from LNG, and that is under pressure and burns. All fuel burns, so comparing one kind of fiery death with another is irrelevant - Diesel is the only safe fuel there, since it's difficult to ignite if it spills.

The real problem with hydrogen is, even in liquid form, it is too light, so you only get 1/10th of the energy density of gasoline per volume.

Think about that for a moment. If your car has a 20 gallon tank with petrol, then you need a 200 gallon tank with hyrdrogen, and it's not going to be a convenient shape either because it's under pressure. So a typical 200 gallon hydrogen tank is going to take up around 2 cubic meters of car structure - the size of a van! Or around 20 cubic feet.

Which means you're going to need a pickup truck just to run off hydrogen, and there's no tray - That's where the massive 200 gallon hydrogen tank is going to go ! Your tank is going to be 6 feet by 3 feet by 3 feet in dimensions and safety structure.

ref: https://www.nrel.gov/docs/gen/fy08/43061.pdf

I don't think you understand the difference between liquified natural gas (LNG) and compressed Hydrogen.

LNG is not under massive pressure since it is a liquid, it turns to gas slowly when you open the valve and allow some out. Hydrogen cars would use compressed Hydrogen, any leak and it's coming out like crazy.

Another issue is that you can see NG burning since there are plenty of carbon atoms in there, Hydrogen burns invisibly so by the time you feel the heat your screwed.

Energy density is why massive trucks use diesel and why an electric car can't go as far as a gasoline one can.

The only hydrogen powered vehicles I know about are mass transit buses with the fuel cell mounted on top (a leak would not enter the bus). They use hydrogen because it is clean burning (you just make water), and the bus would be 10,000 lbs. lighter than an electric battery powered one.

 

[cj7hawk]

I don't think you understand the difference between liquified natural gas (LNG) and compressed Hydrogen.

LNG is not under massive pressure since it is a liquid, it turns to gas slowly when you open the valve and allow some out. Hydrogen cars would use compressed Hydrogen, any leak and it's coming out like crazy.

Another issue is that you can see NG burning since there are plenty of carbon atoms in there, Hydrogen burns invisibly so by the time you feel the heat your screwed.

Energy density is why massive trucks use diesel and why an electric car can't go as far as a gasoline one can.

The only hydrogen powered vehicles I know about are mass transit buses with the fuel cell mounted on top (a leak would not enter the bus). They use hydrogen because it is clean burning (you just make water), and the bus would be 10,000 lbs. lighter than an electric battery powered one.

I can understand using it in fuel cells, where it is at least a third as efficient as diesel by volume... That's doable in something big like a bus. Also electric buses have some nice characteristics - Mostly they are cleaner than older buses because the local drunken vagrants haven't peed on all the seats yet.

 

[thisisamigaspeaking]

Late edit: One of the 'gotchas' with flat screens is the 'back light" What ever you buy, check the bleed though around the edges.

Good thing to investigate, although not all flat screens have backlights (OLED don't), and not all backlights are edge lit. An HDR LCD (e.g. mini-LED backlit) is not going to be edge lit (although there are fake HDR monitors which do little more than decode the signal). There is not any bleed around the edges on a backlit LCD. Which is separate from IPS "glow" and such which also should be minimal in a quality IPS LCD - and non-existent in an OLED.

Basically comes down to: due dilligence. If the expenditure is significant to you, thoroughly investigate everything about the monitors you are looking at and the state of the industry as a whole. Read lots of reviews/watch lots of youtube videos from non-shills. Learn about TN-vs-IPS-vs-VA-vs-QLED-vs-OLED-etc. Learn about backlights, from edge lit to zoned to mini-LED. Learn about HDR and "fake" HDR. Learn about 6-bit-vs-FRC-vs-8-bit-vs-FRC-vs-10-bit. Check warranty periods.

Regarding this thread on the whole, LCDs seem to last basically forever, even older ones with fluorescent backlights - though they definitely have a limited lifespan without replacing the bulbs though. On large scales some units are going to fail, but the cost of a productivity monitor is so low it's nearly irrelevant in most circumstances.

A business will almost positively get $100 of use out of a $100 LCD.

 

[thisisamigaspeaking]

Products of quality are hard to find these days. I think anything you buy is rolling the dice.

I've had issues even with very expensive (>$4000) displays. Pays to look for what has the longest warranty.

 

[Syndikated]

Hi Im new.

I just want to clarify. How many of you are experiencing failing monitors? Thats a pretty rare occurence isnt it?

I have experiences it a couple times with flatscreens but I dont think any modern LED screen has failed on me yet. I think the ones that have were CFL screens.

 

[Unknown_K]

For LCD monitors I only have 3 purchased new and all work fine.

For LCD TV's I have had 2 fail, both were old 720P models and could probably been made working if the controller board was replaced but not worth the money (I assume the screens still worked fine). Laptops LCDs I have one that is red when turned on (that I know about) but none have failed out of 75+ since I collected them.

I expect old CFL backlights to die sooner or later and any SMT liquid filled capacitors on the panels to leak sooner or later as well. Improperly stored screen will probably delaminate and degrade (as seen in the Texas hoard of laptops where the screens look like they melted in the heat).

 

[Quagmire]

Since the 5090 video cards are now unobtanium, I decided to go ahead and upgrade my gaming monitor. I went with the Dell Alienware AW3225QF 31.6" 4K UHD (3840 x 2160) 240hz curved gaming panel. Awesome is overused but I see color shades while gaming that I've never seen before on a PC. When running the 'Black Mist: Wukong' bench (it's free, you can give it a try too) the 3D depth effect borders on the real thing. This one comes with 3 year burn-in policy. Awesome.

 

[Syndikated]

For LCD monitors I only have 3 purchased new and all work fine.

For LCD TV's I have had 2 fail, both were old 720P models and could probably been made working if the controller board was replaced but not worth the money (I assume the screens still worked fine). Laptops LCDs I have one that is red when turned on (that I know about) but none have failed out of 75+ since I collected them.

I expect old CFL backlights to die sooner or later and any SMT liquid filled capacitors on the panels to leak sooner or later as well. Improperly stored screen will probably delaminate and degrade (as seen in the Texas hoard of laptops where the screens look like they melted in the heat).

Just curious what brands or models failed of those two tv's.

 

[Quagmire]

Just curious what brands or models failed of those two tv's.

FWIW I have had only 1 LCD tv fail and that was a Roku Hisense. It was a 40 incher and it was/is the cheapest of the cheap. (warranty replacement from Costco and only about a year old) The display (lcd) just kept getting dimmer and dimmer. Got a Samsung as a replacement. I don't like Roku anything and they are now on my poo list.

 

[Syndikated]

Sounds like it was built to fail.

 

[Unknown_K]

Just curious what brands or models failed of those two tv's.

A Visio and a Sony. The Sony was a newer thinner framed TV the Visio was a much older model with the thick plastics.

 

[Syndikated]

A Visio and a Sony. The Sony was a newer thinner framed TV the Visio was a much older model with the thick plastics.

Who makes Visio?

And the Sony is surprising. How old was it?

 

[Unknown_K]

Sorry Vizio which is owned by Walmart since 2024.

 

[Syndikated]

Sorry Vizio which is owned by Walmart since 2024.

Who made it prior to 2024? I always wonder about some of these brands. Like you can see dirt cheap TV's at bestbuy labeled westinghouse.... You know westinghouse isnt making them and they must be made in taiwan or china and licensing the name.

 

[Unknown_K]

Vizio was based in California and just seemed to have contract manufacturers design and built their TV's in Asia.

Westinghouse is an Asian based company that purchased a license to use that name to make TVs and computer monitors. I actually have a LCD monitor with that brand name and was wondering what connection it had with the company that makes nuclear reactors.