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Is COMPUTE!'s Gazette really being revived ?

Marcio D.

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Not sure if this is an April Fool's joke, or maybe a scam. Please proceed with caution:

https://www.computesgazette.com/#about


If it's legitimate, I don't like that it's covering all retro computers - e.g. Apple, Atari, PC, Commodore, etc. If they want it to be that broad, why not just call it COMPUTE! like the flagship title back in the day, instead of COMPUTE!'s Gazette ?

If they're calling it Gazette, they should just focus on Commodore platforms, from the PET all the way up to the Amiga and its derivatives !
 
Strange. The press release says "COMPUTE! Publications, Inc." was founded in 2025 but it's obviously much older. However, Edwin Nagle appears to own the COMPUTE trademark. So I'm leaning towards legitimate.

I suppose they want to cover all platforms to maximize subscriptions, similar to Pixel Addict. I'm willing to bet the "significant news anticipated within the retro computing world" in July is just THEA1200 release.
 
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I concur. COMPUTE! was the general computing magazine while the Gazette was the C= specialty. That's gonna put a burr under a lot of people's saddles.
 
Strange. The press release says "COMPUTE! Publications, Inc." was founded in 2025 but it's obviously much older. However, Edwin Nagle appears to own the COMPUTE trademark. So I'm leaning towards legitimate.

I suppose they want to cover all platforms to maximize subscriptions, similar to Pixel Addict. I'm willing to bet the "significant news anticipated within the retro computing world" in July is just THEA1200 release.


If the original COMPUTE! Publications corporation was legally dissolved years ago, maybe Edwin Nagle was able to incorporate a new company using that same exact name?

By calling the new magazine Gazette, they risk alienating some Commodore fans who loved the original Gazette for its 8-bit Commodore exclusivity. If they offend enough folks this way, they're going to hurt subscriptions rather than maximize them.

They also risk alienating Apple/Atari/PC fans who might incorrectly assume the new Gazette to be a Commodore-exclusive mag. For some members of that crowd, one look at the "Gazette" name would be enough for them to take a pass and not look back. Maybe that could be mitigated by explicitly stating on the cover that the new Gazette caters to retro computers from Commodore, Apple, Atari, IBM, and more.
 
I'm willing to bet the "significant news anticipated within the retro computing world" in July is just THEA1200 release.


I'm interpreting that differently. I think the "big news" is just that the first issue of the new Gazette is being published in July 2025. Not that something big will be announced in the month of July.
 
I'm interpreting that differently. I think the "big news" is just that the first issue of the new Gazette is being published in July 2025. Not that something big will be announced in the month of July.
The news has to be something other than the first issue. Otherwise they wouldn't have moved it from May to July.
The July launch date was strategically chosen to coincide with significant news anticipated within the retro computing world. "I originally intended on publishing the first issue in May but was contacted by someone who confided some really serious news... coming out in July," Nagle teased. "I'm bound by NDA... but I can tell you that it was worth waiting... A lot of retro enthusiasts are going to be celebrating Christmas in July."
 
By calling the new magazine Gazette, they risk alienating some Commodore fans who loved the original Gazette for its 8-bit Commodore exclusivity. If they offend enough folks this way, they're going to hurt subscriptions rather than maximize them.

They also risk alienating Apple/Atari/PC fans who might incorrectly assume the new Gazette to be a Commodore-exclusive mag. For some members of that crowd, one look at the "Gazette" name would be enough for them to take a pass and not look back. Maybe that could be mitigated by explicitly stating on the cover that the new Gazette caters to retro computers from Commodore, Apple, Atari, IBM, and more.
Eh, maybe. If the content is good I don't think most people will be that picky. There's not many (any?) US-based printed magazines covering retro computing in 2025.
 
The news has to be something other than the first issue. Otherwise they wouldn't have moved it from May to July.


After reading the Subscribe page more closely, I see your point. It says: "Some BIG NEWS is coming in July for the retro community. While we can’t tell you what it is yet, we promise that you won’t want to miss it. Compute!’s Gazette isn’t the only thing coming back…"

So if Compute! Publications has some kind of inside scoop on a big project that nobody else is aware of, that's amazing. But I hope it's not about THEA1200 release date, as that's not big enough news on its own. Retro Games Ltd already announced THEA1200 last month, so a follow-up announcement about its release date would be smaller news.

Since the new Gazette will have broad coverage, the big news doesn't have to be Commodore-related. It could be news about an Apple II Mini, for example. Hey, they've already released Minis and Maxis of C64, VIC-20, Amiga, Atari 400, and Spectrum... so anything's possible!
 
So it turns out the "big news" is just the Retro Recipes guy buying the Commodore brand... :cautious:
 
So it turns out the "big news" is just the Retro Recipes guy buying the Commodore brand... :cautious:
Ah, c'mon, it may not be the invention of the wheel, but I think lots of folks are excited over this news. And, it's a time honored tradition to hype up stuff like this, even though it's not magazine-specific.

Jim
 
Ah, c'mon, it may not be the invention of the wheel, but I think lots of folks are excited over this news
Why?

I mean, say the produce a computer. And that computer can come with an authentic, approved, logo from the original.

That's about the only difference between that computer and one made without these rights.

As I understand it, all they have is a name and a logo. No engineering, no schematics, no patents, no chip designs, just a logo.

There's that Mega65 computer, which has strived to be very friendly and true to form to a legacy computer, but it doesn't have the logo. Do you think that machine wold sell better with a logo on it?

"Seven figure deal", are they going to sell hats and t-shirts?
 
Getting control of a trademarked name and logo with a long history is a big deal, regardless of who it is or what they do with it. Obviously if they license it to paper shredder manufacturers or simply rebadge an existing non innovative product, that is also big news, but big in a negative way. Getting control of the name and logo means getting control of how it is used in the future. You can't step the cringy licensing until you have control. That's the big news. And, mere mortals getting access to it is also big news, as that's often not the case. Names get bought and sold, but never to regular folks. They get sold to PE firms and companies already making products that see it as a way to cash in on a name.

No, I don't think the Mega65 needs the name or the logo, nor do I think the U64 needs it. I don't know how they will make the money back, as you note, shirts and hats won't do it. But, that shouldn't diminish the impressiveness of acquiring the name and logo.

I realize this is not a de-escalating response, but I do tend to get salty at seeing such negative comments. It's like someone announcing their new V9938-based video cartridge or CP/M cart for the 64, and having people dump on it, saying things like "who's gonna use that?, or why would you bother to do that?" They do it because they can and they feel compelled to. Maybe it never sells or no one does anything with it. But, if they had fun making it or learned a lot doing so, or if they used it for their own pet project, it had value, and it's big news to them.
 
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I realize this is not a de-escalating response, but I do tend to get salty at seeing such negative comments. It's like someone announcing their new V9938-based video cartridge or CP/M cart for the 64, and having people dump on it, saying things like "who's gonna use that?....
Well, this is a somewhat different situation. It's one thing for someone to say, "I spent many hours of my life building this thing"; in that case, good on them! If they try to sell it to others, they're opening themselves up to criticism about the price and what you get for it, at least.

But here we have someone who appears to be soliciting investors for a rather large investment (some fraction of millions of dollars), and was even apparently looking at soliciting investments from the general public. (That got quashed by laws that stop that sort of thing—laws that exist for the very reason that people tend to come up with slightly crackpot "investment" ideas that they don't explain well and "regular" folks have lost money on these sorts of things.)

There's a lot of arm waving here about how what he's doing is going to be good for the community, and maybe even in some way "community owned," but no actual details. The lack of both specific details and evidence that he knows what he's doing reminds me of certain Kickstarters that ended up leaving contributors with nothing but a hole in their bank accounts. He should be asked, and should answer, hard questions when this kind of money is involved. (And no, being able to "negotiate bedtime with a toddler" doesn't give you any relevant experience for negotiating a business deal like this.) That all this might end in tears is a perfectly reasonable worry, here.

And if it's true that he's been using the names of Commodore ex-staff without permission, and even implying that they endorse the project, that's stepped way over the line and would indicate that the guy is literally perpetuating a fraud. (To be clear, I have not verified that, though. I just heard it from a friend of Bil Herd.)
 
If they try to sell it to others, they're opening themselves up to criticism about the price and what you get for it, at least.
If the tone was reasonable, but you and I both know it rarely is. Voice of experience here. One could argue that's the tradeoff. If you want money for your thing, you have to tough out the haters. But, that just incentivizes people to not bother sharing their project or turn it into a product for sale. I mean, none of this will make people rich, so it's a side job, and we all get enough confrontation in our day job. I shudder to think how many cool things I'd have bought never appeared because people can't moderate themselves if something costs a bit more than they prefer or doesn't provide their "must have" feature.

I'm not disagreeing with the accountability being asked, it's the tone that bothers me. I understand that previous scams in the retro communities makes folks wary, but surely there's a middle ground. I don't remember anything else about this team suggesting prior shady behavior, and the videos are light on details no doubt because they are truly light on answers. Things are moving fast, people are excited, and it's a rag tag group of folks who have probably never done anything like this.
But here we have someone who appears to be soliciting investors for a rather large investment (some fraction of millions of dollars), and was even apparently looking at soliciting investments from the general public. (That got quashed by laws that stop that sort of thing—laws that exist for the very reason that people tend to come up with slightly crackpot "investment" ideas that they don't explain well and "regular" folks have lost money on these sorts of things.)
I find it a shame that his explanation about trying to see if a crowdsourced share option was viable and relating that it was not is being seen as sketchy. I mean, I'd look into it if I needed a way to raise 7 figures. And, when I determined it would not work, I'd probably spend a few moments in a video explaining why so I didn't have to keep replying to all the well intentioned comments suggesting (without doing any research) that I should just open a crowdfunding campaign and sell shares. I do see he is trying to shortcut the process (the usual US option would be to domicile a C Corp in Delaware and just sell shares, but there are tax implications and managing a C Corp-like financial instrument in all the community geographies is a royal pain in the rear.) As you say, the rules prevent folks from shortcutting the process, but tax laws in the US are often behind the state of art in investing (and I assume similarly in other countries), so it's not a bad idea to check to see if there are loopholes that reduce the burden.
There's a lot of arm waving here about how what he's doing is going to be good for the community, and maybe even in some way "community owned," but no actual details. The lack of both specific details and evidence that he knows what he's doing reminds me of certain Kickstarters that ended up leaving contributors with nothing but a hole in their bank accounts. He should be asked, and should answer, hard questions when this kind of money is involved. (And no, being able to "negotiate bedtime with a toddler" doesn't give you any relevant experience for negotiating a business deal like this.) That all this might end in tears is a perfectly reasonable worry, here.
I can't argue the "how is this going to work, exactly" concern you share, but I feel like I can be excited for them in working to buy the name/logo while at the same time wondering how they will pay for it. Maybe the end result is to rely on businesses like mine to fund without expectations of return, and restructure when the purchase completes. Getting 1000 interested community members to pony up USD $10K each would provide them with USD$10MM to work with, more than what is needed to buy things outright. 1000 is a lot, but not completely unrealistic given the size of the community. $10K is a lot, but most of the people who care are in their 50s or 60s, and I'd bet 1000 of them either have a hobby to costs that much a year or waste that much on something else they could skip for 12 months.
And if it's true that he's been using the names of Commodore ex-staff without permission, and even implying that they endorse the project, that's stepped way over the line and would indicate that the guy is literally perpetuating a fraud. (To be clear, I have not verified that, though. I just heard it from a friend of Bil Herd.)
Using folks' names without permission is a big issue, and that should be dealt with quickly, but we are taught to never assume malice where ignorance is likely. "Bil said you told him you were excited about this, so we used your name" could easily be the issue (if, as you say, the claim is verified).

I'm not asking folks give the team a free pass, but my original comment lamented the negative tone of the initial response. No matter how risky the venture might be, even the possibility to buy a storied company name is a big deal, and a celebratory one at that. Maybe they can't raise the funds, maybe they can't make the good business plan, not sure. I still appreciate them trying. Dismissing it as not "big news" just seems petty and vindictive, mocking the months of effort in decidedly uncomfortable meetings and research areas on how this might be possible.

And no, I am not shilling for the effort. Full disclosure, Christian sent me an email a month or so ago noting he had something to talk to me about, but I did not get back to him in time to hear about it before the video.
 
I'm entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is that it's not big news.

It has nothing to do with being petty or vindictive, merely objective. Anyone could already license the brand via Commodore Coporation BV. All that's changed is you're now licensing it from a Youtuber.
 
We already have two threads about Perifractic "buying Commodore", so no need to start a third one.

But as for "Compute's Gazette", the guy running it is whining about people not liking his use of AI-generated images:

 
Anyone could already license the brand via Commodore Coporation BV.
I thought that this whole purchase was spawned by Perifractic trying to licence the tracemarks from Commodore, they refusing to, and then suggesting they'd be willing to sell the company instead. Is this wrong?
 
We already have two threads about Perifractic "buying Commodore", so no need to start a third one.

But as for "Compute's Gazette", the guy running it is whining about people not liking his use of AI-generated images:

I mentioned this offhandedly in one of the other threads because it struck me just how lame it was. I’m sorry, but this self-entitled whining about people being insufficiently impressed at your “hard work” dictating to the copyright theft machine is so pathetic that so far as I’m concerned this whole thing is nothing but a waste of time. I’m just flat out done with people making the *very wrong* analogy between how human look at things and through that acquire the skill to make things like them and how LLMs literally rip off the contents of the entire internet and selectively vomit it back up based on statistical indexing/weighting.

Gonna go pure old man here, but back in the 70’s through the 90’s if you wanted to produce a magazine on the cheap you and some buddies sat down and *actually worked on making a magazine*. If you needed illustrations you handed a pen to the guy that was the best at making doodles in his school notebook and let him go to town. Yes, the results were amateurish, but jeeze, at least they were an actual act of creativity. I would *so* much prefer a 90’s style underground ‘Zine to this AI trash.
 
I actually wrote some articles for Gazette during the General Media years. I reserve my opinion. At least they're bringing the classic ABC/Cap Cities trade dress back, but I haven't seen anything editorially encouraging so far.
 
I think what the world really needs is a reboot of the old People's Computer Company newsletter. Frankly I'd much rather have (and contribute to a 'Zine) that looks like this:


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Than yet another vector for superficially-slickly-produced but completely vapid AI generated slop content. I have to be honest, I really dislike the vibe I'm getting from this whole thing. Like, I dunno, this (astroturfed?) new wave of excitement about retro computing with "Commodore" as the new avatar is only one degree of separation away from Shrimp Jesus, and the gap is rapidly narrowing.
 
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