Dwight Elvey
Veteran Member
I think some are being priced out of the older machines.
Try to buy a PDP8.
Dwight
Try to buy a PDP8.
Dwight
Users: I put myself in this category. I collect items I like to play with. I once bought a sealed box Atari game, open it and play it. I will buy machines with scratches but don't care because I just want to use the thing.
Come on, 20 Coco-2's? You need 1, maybe 2 to allow a spare or if one of them is a rare weird version. The other 18 can be sold off to people who actually want to use a CoCo.
Why do you care if someone finds nostalgia in a Pentium II?
You and I should hang out someday, play with our Zoran MJPEG chipsets ;-)
To the extent it doesn't interfere with me, I don't. But there are many more of them and an increasingly larger amount of people who are interested in them,
and I think part of what people are noticing is that this is swamping out the lesser-known or smaller userbases
I don't think that's good for the hobby as a whole.
Exactly what we should expect, since in the '90s, an increasingly larger amount of people owned computers!
A few years ago one of the VCF organizers told me that he didn't consider anything post-1981 to be "vintage" and didn't think it was worthy of being demonstrated at shows. I hope he's changed his mind since then.
A few years ago one of the VCF organizers told me that he didn't consider anything post-1981 to be "vintage" and didn't think it was worthy of being demonstrated at shows. I hope he's changed his mind since then.
If you mean me, then you are seriously misquoting. That would exclude many Apple II models, all Macs, Commodore 64, Commodore Amiga, and zillions of other things which have always been well-represented at all the VCF events.
What I * DID * say, when VCF East re-emerged in 2006, was that * PCs * newer than the early 80s didn't seem appropriate. That is largely still true, however, times evolve. Things like pre-95 versions of Windows would feel vintage-y enough now. In fact, we've even got a 486 PS/2 running Windows 3.1 in the VCFed museum, next to a first-edition iMac. They're important historical milestones whether we like it or not.
What I * DID * say, when VCF East re-emerged in 2006, was that * PCs * newer than the early 80s didn't seem appropriate. That is largely still true, however, times evolve. Things like pre-95 versions of Windows would feel vintage-y enough now. In fact, we've even got a 486 PS/2 running Windows 3.1 in the VCFed museum, next to a first-edition iMac. They're important historical milestones whether we like it or not.
When it increases interest to the exclusion of other systems, it's a net negative and reduces the diversity of the hobby (as well as, I'd argue, its value as a historical topic in and of itself). It's pretty clear from this thread that precisely how much displacement has occurred is a matter of dispute, but I haven't heard anyone say it has absolutely zero effect.
I don't think that logic follows. Nobody is interested in excluding older systems. It's just the natural progression of time. There are less Model T enthusiasts now than there were 50 years ago.
you don't think that the thinning of that community is a little problematic for historical preservation? Are you actually asserting that simple attrition is the only reason for why there are fewer of those folks?
Only one Koach was made for the television series and feature film. It was made from three Ford Model T bodies
Beautiful dodge. Whatever the reasons for why doesn't mean such an effect isn't occurring, or that the effect isn't negative. Given that Model T's are landmarks in the car industry, to use your example, you don't think that the thinning of that community is a little problematic for historical preservation? Are you actually asserting that simple attrition is the only reason for why there are fewer of those folks?
More to the point, whether it's intentional or not (and I'll agree with you it probably isn't, in most cases), you don't think the sheer volume of users and inquiries would swamp out other discussion? If you don't, we'll probably have to agree to disagree at this point.
Er, what dodge? I disagree completely with your statement. The Internet is not a fixed size. The addition or increase in interest in newer "vintage" systems does not automatically decrease interest in other areas or reduce diversity. New kids playing DOS games on Pentium IIs has no effect on the number of old guys playing around with their Altairs and PDPs and whatever else.
Unless you think you can dictate what people are interested in, I really don't see your complaint.