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Perifractic wants to buy Commodore

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This video came to my attention yesterday. Curious - rather than having the Commodore trademarks end up un the crowd funded hands of one person, is there a way to crowd fund the IP going to a non profit? Personally I'm kind of bored with Commodore as a topic, and I don't think it has much commercial value. But I wouldn't mind seeing the IP in collective hands or ideally locked up so nobody can use it permanently, as IMO nothing produced today with Commodore branding should be considered actual Commodore as Peri suggests.

Thoughts? I read the IP was purchased for $30M a decade ago, so even if Net BV just wants to dump it I assume they'll want real money for it. I'm thinking form a non profit that could crowd fund or issue a tax receipt for Net BV to write off a donation or something.
 
It is a very dangerous movement for us the collectors. We could lose all the Commodore documentation in the process.
 
And now Perifractic has an update video that's half an hour long and has both the title and thumbnail phrased as questions: "Did we buy Commodore?" (again referring to himself as "we")... usually when video creators do that, the answer is no. So I'll assume that is the case, unless someone else wants to take one for the team and actually watch it to find out.
 
If someone else's synopsis is correct, there is an agreement on a purchase price. Seven figures. Will crowdfunding succeed in time? Will the Youtuber be able to claim the CEO position? Don't worry, there will be many chances to monetize the frequent videos providing updates.
 
I watched the whole thing this morning and the synopsis is correct. He's signed an agreement to purchase but it sounds like subject to financing. I've heard different numbers in different circles but less than $5M. What's throwing me a little is the trademarks are not as clean cut as I originally assumed - valid in some countries, not in others, claimed by multiple people in a few places. In the US, the Commodore name and logo seems to be owned by something called Xtreme Power Systems LLC in Arizona. This stuff makes my mind bleed.
 
Maybe it'll end up like Bell & Howell and Emerson to name a few. BTW, you can even get a Bell & Howell scalp shaver if you watch late night tv.
 
No idea why anyone who doesn't make computer hardware would spend more than $10K for the name these days.
 
It's an interesting idea. I honestly don't have anything against Peri/Christian, I've enjoyed a lot of his videos. I was living vicariously with him when he bought that KITT replica, and he did a really fun one about that time traveller guy. I don't watch much of his Commodore stuff, but I don't watch it by others either as I'm just tired of the topic generally.

Commodore is a part of my childhood, so I felt obliged to say something and did in my video providing a counter argument to his. My intent was NOT to troll or 'diss' him, although I feel watching his responses he may have taken it that way. I regret the 'crowdfunding' discussion at the end of the video confused me (and others) and had to backtrack there - I thought he was saying he wanted to use crowdfunding to have people donate to him to buy it, and the idea then would be to run it as a community project, licencing the rights to projects deemed worthy. Which wouldn't be illegal I wouldn't think - Patrons can donate whatever they wish to their favorite creators. He just can't issue them shares in exchange. Or not, I'm not sure how the law works there. I wasn't suggesting he was trying anything unethical or illegal, I just wasn't sure he'd get enough money in a crowdfund or why anyone but hardcore fans would want to donate to that IF it was just straight up donating to him/his channel for the cause.

Plus all you're buying here are the trademarks. There's other IP in other hands and those hands are clenching it pretty hard. I can't imagine what it would cost to reassemble all that. Plus the inevitable, really harsh criticism that has and will come his way. What he's gotten from me is a gentle critique that will pale in comparison to the future vitriol he'll receive when he starts making actual product decisions.

I'm also confused about what he proposes to do. In this second video he seems to have pivoted from licencing to the community to selling some kind of product he's keeping under wraps. Or was he selling the product to raise funds to buy the company? If he's doing the former, that would tend to preclude licencing competing products, wouldn't it?

I don't know what he's going for. New products under old name? Retro products only? Tshirts? He says he's not doing it for 'nostalgia', but the whole brand appeal is about nostalgia. How many 8 year olds do you think even know what Commodore is? If he doesn't need the nostalgic quality of a past brand name, why does he need it at all? Have to wait and see what the final plan comes down to -- but several million dollars is a lot of money. That's gonna be a tough sell with angel investors given the brand's track record, and he acknowledges he's already been turned down by a few options. And any investor expects to get paid right? What amazing product will cover a multi-million dollar bill and then some? I was thinking based on the first video that Commodore BV was going to dump the trademarks anyway and he was scooping them at a huge discount.

Personally, I just can't see myself buying more retro Commodore-themed gear than I have. Only so many variations of Commodore 64 or Amiga emulation I care to buy. I bought the Commander X16 because I like David Murray and felt his journey with that was reminiscent of early computer companies in the 1970s. Anything else I've been interested in, I could care less if it had a 'legal' Commodore brand attached to it. Easy enough to print out a label if it bothers me. Maybe I'm an outsider here.

I'm not gonna shell out $800 for a new "Commodore" Amiga 1200 or something like that. Got too much stuff already. It can't be real Commodore if Irving Gould isn't bleeding it dry for the tax writeoffs, IMO. :P
 
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I don't watch any of that guy's videos; frankly his voice creeps me out. But he's calling himself the "CEO of Commodore" now. So I guess he owns it.

I think there is plenty of opportunity to cash in on the brand. Just look at Atari.
 
Just going to drop this here; Bell & Howell may be a zombie brand, but at least they’re doing their part to help the resistance free us from slavery in the laser mines.

For a second it looked like Nick Bolton was selling a Bell & Howell tank.
 
I agree that commodore is dead. Let it remain dead.We dont dig up our grandparents and put thier corpses on display. We remember them.


This is such a shameless self aggrandizing thing.. it seems he has no idea. I watched the guys videos early on. Once he started shoving in his wife to gain views i was out.
 
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And now Perifractic has an update video that's half an hour long...unless someone else wants to take one for the team and actually watch it to find out.
After how annoying the last video was (I stuck it through about the first five minutes, and then couldn't stand it any more) I'm not willing to try to watch this one, but I am willing to stuff it into NoteGPT.io and see what kind of summary comes out. I am surprised that it considers a 1000 word document to be a "summary" of the 5000 word transcript, but at least it's still five times faster to read. And course have all the usual caveats re accuracy etc. But it should at least give some sense of what's going on, and things to search for in the transcript if you want to find out what was really said.

Revival of Commodore Brand​
The video chronicles the ambitious project to revive the iconic Commodore computer brand, which had been dormant and fragmented after decades. Perry Fractic, a YouTuber passionate about retro tech, spearheads this initiative with the goal of bringing Commodore back not just as a nostalgic brand but as a forward-looking technology company.​
Acquisition and Leadership​
Perry Fractic has become the acting CEO of the newly re-established Commodore Corporation after successfully negotiating the acquisition of the company’s trademarks and assets. Although the payment and full legal finalization are still pending, the sellers recognize the new leadership team with positions such as CEO, CFO, CTO, COO, and a playful “C640” title.​
Public Benefit Corporation Structure​
The new Commodore operates as a public benefit corporation, which is a for-profit entity but with mandated commitments to preserve and promote retro computing culture. This structure aims to balance financial viability with a mission-driven approach dedicated to the community and legacy of Commodore.​
Funding and Investment Challenges​
Raising capital for the acquisition and future projects is ongoing, with a target price in the low seven figures. The team has engaged with angel investors and attempted crowdfunding but faces regulatory hurdles due to international securities laws, restricting investment to accredited investors from specific countries, primarily the U.S., Canada, and the UK.​
Community and Legacy Focus​
A fundamental principle of the revival is to keep Commodore’s legacy alive by involving original engineers, executives, and community members. The project emphasizes authenticity by reuniting members such as Bill Herd (Commodore 128/Plus4 designer), Michael Tomchek (Vic 20 product manager), and others instrumental in Commodore’s original successes.​
Future Product Vision​
While honoring classics like the Commodore 64 and Amiga, the revived company plans to innovate with new hardware and software products that embrace a retrofuturistic aesthetic. The vision includes digital minimalism and user-friendly computing experiences reminiscent of the late 1990s and early 2000s, countering modern tech’s complexity and social media toxicity.​
Ongoing Content and Community Engagement​
Perry Fractic plans to document the revival journey via his YouTube channel “Retro Recipes,” offering behind-the-scenes access to research, development, and company updates. The channel serves as a portal for fans who want to be part of the comeback and contribute ideas or feedback.​
Legal and Licensing Approach​
The team intends to manage Commodore’s trademarks responsibly, avoiding over-licensing or brand dilution. An official licensing program will be introduced to allow community developers and creators to produce Commodore-branded products under quality-controlled conditions.​
Involvement of Notable Figures and New Talent​
Besides original Commodore veterans, new contributors such as Thomas Middle Ditch (known from Silicon Valley and Netflix specials) have joined as Chief Creative Officer, bringing creative and promotional expertise. The team also includes hardware partners, game developers, and artists, reinforcing a multidisciplinary approach.​
Addressing Skepticism and Transparency​
Perry openly acknowledges the community’s skepticism, given past failed revival attempts and scams. He emphasizes his personal passion, the team’s dedication, and their plans for transparency, including FAQs addressing common concerns about the project’s legitimacy, funding, and future.​
Revival of Commodore Brand​
The video chronicles the ambitious project to revive the iconic Commodore computer brand, which had been dormant and fragmented after decades. Perry Fractic, a YouTuber passionate about retro tech, spearheads this initiative with the goal of bringing Commodore back not just as a nostalgic brand but as a forward-looking technology company.​
Acquisition and Leadership​
Perry Fractic has become the acting CEO of the newly re-established Commodore Corporation after successfully negotiating the acquisition of the company’s trademarks and assets. Although the payment and full legal finalization are still pending, the sellers recognize the new leadership team with positions such as CEO, CFO, CTO, COO, and a playful “C640” title.​
Public Benefit Corporation Structure​
The new Commodore operates as a public benefit corporation, which is a for-profit entity but with mandated commitments to preserve and promote retro computing culture. This structure aims to balance financial viability with a mission-driven approach dedicated to the community and legacy of Commodore.​
Funding and Investment Challenges​
Raising capital for the acquisition and future projects is ongoing, with a target price in the low seven figures. The team has engaged with angel investors and attempted crowdfunding but faces regulatory hurdles due to international securities laws, restricting investment to accredited investors from specific countries, primarily the U.S., Canada, and the UK.​
Community and Legacy Focus​
A fundamental principle of the revival is to keep Commodore’s legacy alive by involving original engineers, executives, and community members. The project emphasizes authenticity by reuniting members such as Bill Herd (Commodore 128/Plus4 designer), Michael Tomchek (Vic 20 product manager), and others instrumental in Commodore’s original successes.​
Future Product Vision​
While honoring classics like the Commodore 64 and Amiga, the revived company plans to innovate with new hardware and software products that embrace a retrofuturistic aesthetic. The vision includes digital minimalism and user-friendly computing experiences reminiscent of the late 1990s and early 2000s, countering modern tech’s complexity and social media toxicity.​
Ongoing Content and Community Engagement​
Perry Fractic plans to document the revival journey via his YouTube channel “Retro Recipes,” offering behind-the-scenes access to research, development, and company updates. The channel serves as a portal for fans who want to be part of the comeback and contribute ideas or feedback.​
Legal and Licensing Approach​
The team intends to manage Commodore’s trademarks responsibly, avoiding over-licensing or brand dilution. An official licensing program will be introduced to allow community developers and creators to produce Commodore-branded products under quality-controlled conditions.​
Involvement of Notable Figures and New Talent​
Besides original Commodore veterans, new contributors such as Thomas Middle Ditch (known from Silicon Valley and Netflix specials) have joined as Chief Creative Officer, bringing creative and promotional expertise. The team also includes hardware partners, game developers, and artists, reinforcing a multidisciplinary approach.​
Addressing Skepticism and Transparency​
Perry openly acknowledges the community’s skepticism, given past failed revival attempts and scams. He emphasizes his personal passion, the team’s dedication, and their plans for transparency, including FAQs addressing common concerns about the project’s legitimacy, funding, and future.​
 
I'm not inclined to take a ChatGPT summary of anything as particularly trustworthy (also... did this get pasted in twice, or did the chatbot repeat itself and it was too dreary to wade through so you didn't notice?), but I have to laugh at this:

While honoring classics like the Commodore 64 and Amiga, the revived company plans to innovate with new hardware and software products that embrace a retrofuturistic aesthetic. The vision includes digital minimalism and user-friendly computing experiences reminiscent of the late 1990s and early 2000s, countering modern tech’s complexity and social media toxicity.

Are they really saying something this stupid? Apparently they didn't live through the same late 1990's/early 2000's as the rest of us. Tech products were mostly *horrible* during that period. I mean, sure, I have my rose-tinted nostalgia for the old-tymey world wide web, and there were some fun gadgets that came out in that period, but mainstream computing was a dumpster fire of bloat, instability, forced obsolescence, and complexity. This era is why those tee-shirts that say "No, I won't fix your computer" were such hot items for anyone working an IT job; everything was broken, always.

And, of course, it's really hilarious in the context that Commodore died with barely a whimper years before this era. Why would you expect anyone, even if they have positive memories of this time, to associate them with the Commodore name? I can only assume that ChatGPT *must* have somehow made hash of this... unless, I dunno, they're laser targeting that one guy that thought the Commodore 64 web.it was a great idea.

I think there is plenty of opportunity to cash in on the brand. Just look at Atari.

Atari never *completely* died to the extent Commodore did, and it was also around *much* longer. (Its legacy goes back to Pong, after all.) I dunno, I really think they're kidding themselves. You pretty much have to be pushing 50 to really have warm feelings for Commodore, so if their goal is to try to muscle into... what, the education/tech geek space? you're not just targeting the *dads* of these young aspiring STEM-ers, you're getting into grandpa territory.

For the modern tech geek brands like "Arduino" and "Raspberry Pi" are *far* more relevant than Commodore, and I don't see some Youtuber buying some stale trademarks just magically changing that.
 
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