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I've "liberated" those two users from the horrors of this forum. I couldn't take their suffering anymore. (Read: They were banned because enough is enough.)

This is a another poor response. I was going to ask you in a private mail why you are acting so poorly over comments lately about google. But I am loosing confidence now in this forum over banning people for their opinions. I've seen alot worse forums than this, and this situation doesn't even compare. I consider this a rather quiet forum when it comes to discussions here.
 
Another nail in the JS login window coffin... LastPass is unable to automatically recognize the fields, so you have to manually trigger the autofill in order to make it work.

VERAULT, I think the little "light bar" is the forum designer's attempt at gamification. It's some kind of "fame" thing that you appear to get when your posts get "likes".

Here's a new favicon you guys might want to use:

:D :D :D

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Yeah I am all in favor of losing that if that is what is is.... and the "like" button as well. I thought we were a forum of grown ups. I like being an adult and copying things the Kids are doing would be the last thing I would ever do.....
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"It's truly astounding how badly they ****ed this forum up. shock and awe."

That's what triggered the ban.

It's abusive. It's part of a pattern. It won't be tolerated here. The people who keep the forum running deserve better than that.
 
For whatever it's worth I'd like to thank the admins for muscling through and fixing as much as they have over the last week. Not going to lie and say I'm thrilled with the new look but so far as I can tell the actual day-one *breakage* is at least consigned to the dustbin of history.

If there's one thing I'd like to see, and maybe it's an easy fix: we have the "New Topics" view which shows a list of threads that have been updated recently, but my usual landing point on the old forum was the "Activity Stream" showing the first few lines of the actual recent updates to posts, because it made it easy to quickly scan and see if anything looked interesting without having to click into the individual threads. It would be sort of nice to have that link back.

(I have basically replicated it with a search bookmark that shows "Default" instead of "Topic" view for recent discussions, but that of course is not quite as handy as having the link built in.)
 
"...The people who keep the forum running deserve better than that."

Yes, you do. That is undoubted. No one should face abuse for doing their job.

However, banning users who have been widely helpful in providing assistance to others doesn't accomplish a great deal other than diluting the value of the forum as a whole to people wanting to use it.

Moderating a forum is a tightrope walk at the best of times, and I do appreciate that having done it for years myself. But it can also be an unfortunate opportunity to overreact when one's investment of time and expertise seems to be questioned.

You guys are what keep this forum working, but we are the ones it is for. On that basis, I'd suggest these two have the ban removed, upon reminding that their words have consequences - not least the potential to disrupt the site, and the resolution of genuine problems. They have investment here too, and I suspect that's part of the problem.

On a brighter note: thanks for removing Facebook and Twitter buttons, and for the arrival of the option to set display choices - that's MUCH better.

And while I can't log in or view anything on my iPad, the forum works perfectly on a Raspberry Pi.
 
AndyO - I happen to get a lot of hate in particular because I am the most active and visible moderator. Who I work for doesn't matter; it was repeated abusive behavior and violation of the forum policies. We're here to discuss vintage computers, and people do not have a right to use our platform to attack other people, China, large corporations, etc. We had to close the politics area years ago, and we had to close the rants section because people abused the privilege. Whether you bash Google, Microsoft, IBM, Facebook, etc. it really doesn't matter to me - it's not allowed here. Telling people that actions have consequences doesn't seem to work - there have been countless warnings. Banning somebody is a last resort.

"The standard you walk past is the standard you accept." We've allowed for corrosive behavior here for too long. This is not a free speech zone, and it never was. This is a place to discuss vintage computers. And when people can't accept our policy and they keep butting heads (for no really good reason) or become abusive, it's our right to escort them off of our virtual property.

Once again, the other moderators and the board of directors are aware of what happened. You don't see anybody rushing to change the outcome. To understand it you would need to have a more full picture of the problem, and that's not something we can provide here. (Nor would it be appropriate.) Other moderators and admins will be stepping up and being more visible too.

Let's get back on topic.
 
In the interest of helping people get back on topic ...

Please, no more discussion here. If you want a neutral third party to speak to please contact erik@vcfed.org, corey@vcfed.org, jeffrey@vcfed.org, dag.spicer@vcfed.org, or bob.roswell@vcfed.org. That is the board of directors for the VCFed.org. If they feel that something has gone wrong they can discuss it and propose fixes, including policy changes. If you don't trust my judgement or the judgement of the other moderators (who also support these bans) then that is who you should talk to. Going around in circles here is not productive.
 
In the interest of helping people get back on topic ...

Please, no more discussion here. If you want a neutral third party to speak to please contact erik@vcfed.org, corey@vcfed.org, jeffrey@vcfed.org, dag.spicer@vcfed.org, or bob.roswell@vcfed.org. That is the board of directors for the VCFed.org. If they feel that something has gone wrong they can discuss it and propose fixes, including policy changes. If you don't trust my judgement or the judgement of the other moderators (who also support these bans) then that is who you should talk to. Going around in circles here is not productive.
Please clarify: When you say "Please, no more discussion here", I am assuming you are referring to the bans issue only and not the "The New Forums" thread in general.
 
Yes ... please continue to rant about the forum upgrade here, or file bug reports in the "Vintage Computer Forum Support" area. :)

But discussing the recent rude behavior and the resulting bans is off topic. The board of directors can intervene if warranted.
 
That is the board of directors for the VCFed.org. If they feel that something has gone wrong they can discuss it and propose fixes, including policy changes.
Are any of them, besides Erik, active in the forum? Especially during a major overhaul like this, I think they should all be monitoring the feedback directly from the users here, rather than waiting for someone to knock on their door.
 
Are any of them, besides Erik, active in the forum? Especially during a major overhaul like this, I think they should all be monitoring the feedback directly from the users here, rather than waiting for someone to knock on their door.
Excellent point.
 
but it is super easy to implement SSL, why wouldn't you?

Not sure if you are seriously hunting for an answer, and this wasn't just rhetorical...

I think there are a certain number of people that like to connect on older computers that can't handle SSL. I'm not super knowledgeable about this stuff, but I would imagine there are some users here with lots of vintage microcomputers. Maybe C64 wouldn't be able to?
 
Are any of them, besides Erik, active in the forum? Especially during a major overhaul like this, I think they should all be monitoring the feedback directly from the users here, rather than waiting for someone to knock on their door.

I'm relaying information, comments and concerns to them. So while they might not be visible, they should be active.
 
Not sure if you are seriously hunting for an answer, and this wasn't just rhetorical...

I think there are a certain number of people that like to connect on older computers that can't handle SSL. I'm not super knowledgeable about this stuff, but I would imagine there are some users here with lots of vintage microcomputers. Maybe C64 wouldn't be able to?

I have a fair share of vintage stuff, mostly Tandy and Commodore, and there's no way they are ever going to connect to this board. The board is here for information about vintage computer items, not a dock to use them. I'm all for a well protected site.
 
Not sure if you are seriously hunting for an answer, and this wasn't just rhetorical...

I think there are a certain number of people that like to connect on older computers that can't handle SSL. I'm not super knowledgeable about this stuff, but I would imagine there are some users here with lots of vintage microcomputers. Maybe C64 wouldn't be able to?

I was mostly being rhetorical, but the question comes from the context of running a site on the public internet. Doing this without SSL is simply not something you can do anymore, even if your site is purely informational. But from the context of a tinkerer at home, I can see why you'd be SSL adverse. But do we really put everyone at risk simply to allow a few old computers to use this site? Especially since there are ways for individuals to work around this in a manner that allows them to take on the risk at a very local level and not put others at risk. It is pretty easy to setup a proxy on your local network that can strip SSL from any website, not only this one, and then you can continue to use a non-SSL version of the internet.
 
As I have pointed out several times, there are a number of solutions that can proxy connections to modern TLS and Javascript enabled sites for machines not capable of direct connection.

Also, the VCF board is fully aware of what goes on here. Feel free to contact any of them if you have a concern that you feel isn't been addressed by the moderation team.

Thanks!
- Alex
 
Am I imagining things, or have the social media buttons disappeared?
Yes! Thanks to the mod/admin team for that. It feels a better place already.

Now that the FB and Twitter bits have been eliminated from the side panel, how about putting the poster's location there?
This is a great suggestion. I hope it is being heard, by someone, somewhere, who can do something about it.

I would like to express my opinion that the communication of the admin team with this forum's user base on matters regarding the forum migration has been poor. Why are they mostly absent and why are they not telling much to us, the users, here?
 
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