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southbird

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I grew up in Pittsburgh, but currently live in the outer edge of the Twin Cities (Minneapolis/St. Paul) metro. Anyway, before I was licensed to drive, I took mass transit. It actually first started in high school when the district decided my parents were 3 houses too close to require a school bus or some bureaucratic nonsense.

Public transit has declined in just about every city, now that cars are relatively cheap and mass transit just doesn't fit in with our "right now, my way" attitude. It's not like the old days with street cars ferrying the working poor into cities. I can't speak for everyone, but I do keep up with what's happening in Pittsburgh. My mom has never driven since she left Small Town, USA, so she's totally dependent on the transit system. My youngest brother has yet to even begin the motions to have a license. So they both depend on what they have.

Alas, Port Authority of Allegheny County, the transit agency that runs Pittsburgh buses and few subway cars, has been running a mantra of "raise fares, cut service" for probably the last 30 years. My parents moved into my would-become childhood home partially because it was along a major bus line -- at one time, there were up to four routes that ran along the street right in front of our house. Can't beat that, right?

Well at an exponential rate, the entire system has been decimated. Starting this year, they began to "modernize" the system for the 21st century or however the marketing guys are spinning it. This basically means they're going to drastically alter the whole darn thing and cut and thin it out as much as possible. Some of this does make sense; as they admit, they've been keeping alive an ancient model that worked for the street car days but no longer makes sense in present day.

But focusing on my remaining immediate family that is so dependent -- they're down to one route that runs with a little more than an hour between buses. A far cry from what used to be wonderful service to and from the downtown area. Today was the first business day of this fantastic travesty, and my youngest brother, who relies on the buses to get to his job downtown, reported it as such:

Let me tell you a story about the post-September 5th era of Port Authority buses.

So my friend [name removed] and I were trying to catch the 41D. I had left the house at 6:55 AM, expecting a bus to come rather quickly. I remembered soon enough that the 41G no longer exists. As expected, the bus didn't show until 7:20 AM, and it was so packed that a handicapped woman had to be passed up, with little prospect that the next 41D would have the room.

So my friend and I rode on this crowded bus, with some lady constantly saying, "Move back!" and also, "Put it on all your phones - 412-442-2000! [PAT customer service]" Some other lady even was filing a discrimination complaint or something. It wasn't regards to race, but the disabled.

Big traffic jam, of course. How nice.

Finally, at 8:00 AM, I was at the City County Building. So I have been saying sarcastically to people at work, "I want to thank Port Authority for a wonderful commute this morning." I even said it to my boss, and she was amazed at the mess.


His commute is a mere 3.5 miles or so. This is just my brother's story from one street in one neighborhood... makes me wonder how everyone else's commute went?
 
Two things are happening now.

1) If it's run by the city, state or federal government it's labeled socialistic and has to be privatized. If private industry doesn't deem it to be profitable, then it needs to be done away with.
2) In the economic downturn, local governments are going broke and having to cut expenses. The first things to be cut are social services. And some of those services are just like you described. Transportation needed to get to a job. Police force and Firemen are also downsized. And the list goes on.

Anyway you slice it, services to the most needy are being done away with in a lot of our large cities.
 
The "rails to rubber" campaign was one of the most damaging things in North America. Street cars were lost everywhere and many things moved toward "rubber". Now we are really going to suffer the consequence. Being around, and arguably past, peak oil, there will obviously be a widening chasm between those that can afford a LOT of energy and those that can afford little, or even none.

Anyway, with a 3.5 mile commute, there is no excuse (barring disability) for not using a bicycle all year around. One learns to deal with the rain and snow. Cold is never an issue on a bicycle because one is (or should be) peddling. The saving in money and environmental wear and tear is huge. The saving in time is HUGE because there is little time spent on the ends of the journey. Ride time for 3.5 miles is somewhere between 12 and 20 minutes depending on your experience. The best bus system in the world is always slower than a bike for most trips under 10 miles. Actually a popular stunt for bicycle advocates is to stage a commuter race between the bus, a car, and a bike. The bike always wins.
 
Anyway, with a 3.5 mile commute, there is no excuse (barring disability) for not using a bicycle all year around. One learns to deal with the rain and snow. Cold is never an issue on a bicycle because one is (or should be) peddling. The saving in money and environmental wear and tear is huge. The saving in time is HUGE because there is little time spent on the ends of the journey. Ride time for 3.5 miles is somewhere between 12 and 20 minutes depending on your experience. The best bus system in the world is always slower than a bike for most trips under 10 miles. Actually a popular stunt for bicycle advocates is to stage a commuter race between the bus, a car, and a bike. The bike always wins.

Yeah, but you have to understand, about half of that distance is up/down a slope so severe that some of the older buses can't climb it faster than 15MPH at full engine load. And the direct 3.5 miles go through a tunnel which has no "non-motorized vehicle" accessibility, so our loyal biker in this case must literally go up and over a mountain (Mt. Washington.) It's not 3.5 miles anymore and would require olympic class athletics to accomplish. :) Historically the tunnel did have sidewalks on it, and that would improve your idea. Pittsburgh is very hilly and it really is not something a non-athletic can navigate on a bike for any considerable distance. Now, out here in MN, yeah, 3.5 miles is totally bikeable. If I were only 3.5 miles away and had enough surface to bike across, I'd totally make it a daily thing... at least until the temps go -40 F...
 
Anyway, with a 3.5 mile commute, there is no excuse (barring disability) for not using a bicycle all year around. One learns to deal with the rain and snow.
I don't have to make an excuse, to you or any other environment fascist, for not using a bicycle and dealing with the rain or snow by riding in a nice dry heated car or bus; I will try not to splash you as I drive past you though ;-)
 
I don't have to make an excuse, to you or any other environment fascist, for not using a bicycle and dealing with the rain or snow by riding in a nice dry heated car or bus; I will try not to splash you as I drive past you though ;-)

My point was not that it was environmentally correct (unless that is important to you) but that it is faster. Much faster. It's ideal for people who value their time. If you're not in a hurry, go ahead and take the bus. :) Regarding other "problems", there are courses which will teach you how to ride so that the winter and hills and traffic won't be a problem. Just like many things in the computer world, it's a learnable thing. The really funny thing about this discussion (a common one) is that whenever you mention bicycle, all of a sudden no one is in a hurry any more. :D
 
Believe me, I actually am in love with the idea. But right now I live about 50 miles from work; it would take a few hours if I was even fit enough to make that journey.

As for my brother's case... if you could physically bike up this hill every day, and furthermore not be killed by traffic, then I would have to award you a medal. Bear in mind it's very busy, there's no shoulders, and people tend to come down at speeds of 30-50MPH...
 
My point was not that it was environmentally correct (unless that is important to you) but that it is faster. Much faster. It's ideal for people who value their time. If you're not in a hurry, go ahead and take the bus. :) Regarding other "problems", there are courses which will teach you how to ride so that the winter and hills and traffic won't be a problem. Just like many things in the computer world, it's a learnable thing. The really funny thing about this discussion (a common one) is that whenever you mention bicycle, all of a sudden no one is in a hurry any more. :D
Rather sweeping generalizations; whether it's "much faster" depends entirely on the route, time of day, rider's condition, weather, etc., so that your opinions are almost completely meaningless. As to the "HUGE" savings, well the bus will run whether I'm on it or riding my bicycle so if anything I'm adding to the "environmental wear and tear", and I don't consider the fare a "HUGE" amount.

I just get a little annoyed sometimes by this new "saving mother earth" religion, meaningless and misleading sweeping generalizations like yours, and especially the notion that I should "excuse" myself for riding a bus or driving my car.

Just a little though ;-)
 
That hill is not a nice place to bike if you're going up although it is not very steep as hills go. The curve and narrow shoulder is a nuisance for interacting with cars - but it is learnable. However, that is a prefect hill for going down and you do it by riding near the middle and taking up your rightful space as a vehicle. An average rider will be going 35mph so cars won't be inconvenienced. Regarding the medal, thanks, but those days are gone for me because of my polio effects. However go back 20 years and I would just shake my head at anyone who thought it was a problem - and so would any skilled rider. Riding cooperatively in traffic without being a problem for other road users and not killing yourself is worth learning. Interestingly, 80% of accidents involving a car and a bicycle, are the cyclists fault. That means that the cyclist can avoid the accident.

As for 50 miles, that is of course only doable as a daily commute by lunatics. And there are some.

Anecdote: I used to go to a monthly meeting and there was this old guy there who lived about 20 miles away. It turns out he only used his bike to get around. When asked why, he said "I'm too old to walk any more". :)
 
I just get a little annoyed sometimes by this new "saving mother earth" religion, meaningless and misleading sweeping generalizations like yours, and especially the notion that I should "excuse" myself for riding a bus or driving my car.

Just a little though ;-)
I don't know where you get the "saving mother earth religion" angle in relation to me. I think you got the wrong guy here. :) Regarding the "sweeping generalizations, I take it you have never encountered one of those commuter competitions. Of course, someone who travels 50 miles to work is not going to benefit from bicycling. A motor bike might be a good solution though. I did it that way for some years after the post polio started kicking in (yes, in the snow too) for both economic reasons and speed. Realistically, a pedal bike is suitable for commuting anything under 10 miles or so (3-4 is perfect), and in a city environment has big advantages. Check out the bicycle couriers and why they don't use cars.

PS: Regarding HUGE savings. To some of us 4 grand a year (or more) for running a car is close to half our income. So yes, that is huge. :)
 
I don't know where you get the "saving mother earth religion" angle in relation to me. I think you got the wrong guy here. :)
Well, I understood you to say that I should "learn" to endure the cold, wet, sweat, danger, etc. of riding my bike at least in part for the "huge" saving in environmental wear and tear (i.e. on "mother" earth), and there's no excuse for my not doing so...
Regarding the "sweeping generalizations, I take it you have never encountered one of those commuter competitions.
Actually, I have, and don't deny that under certain circumstances a bicycle will indeed get you to your destination faster than a bus or a car; I'm just disputing your blanket statement (i.e., no "maybe" or "sometimes" or even "often") that there will be a HUGE(!) saving in time.
A motor bike might be a good solution though.
One of my favourites when the weather's nice.
Check out the bicycle couriers and why they don't use cars.
Fine for them but I'm not a courier. I don't see UPS or the post office using bicycles though, and if bicycles are so much faster why don't the police use them exclusively instead of chasing cars and speeding to accident scenes with those huge gas-guzzling, presumably slower, cruisers?
PS: Regarding HUGE savings. To some of us 4 grand a year (or more) for running a car is close to half our income. So yes, that is huge. :)
I thought this was mainly about taking the bus? A little disingenuous twisting of the subject there... ;-)

Tell you what: you ride your bicycle, and I'll take whatever mode of transportation I feel like taking at any particular time and won't feel guilty or feel that I have to make excuses; I don't ask you to justify your choices, why do I have to justify and make excuses for mine?

BTW, I also don't plan to take any courses in how to ride in the winter, etc., if that's all right with you.
;-)
 
I used the bus when I was a teen to get to the mall on a Saturday (back when there was stuff to do at the mall besides shop for overpriced clothes). I also used to walk to my highschool daily (there was a bus but I liked to walk the 1.55 miles). The city I live in is not well off, but you tend to see the bus mostly empty as it goes down the street. Even working poor seem to have cars these days, and not the rusted out hulks I tended to see in the 80's either. Maybe people do not joyride around as much when gas was $3 a gallon compared to $1 many years ago, but traffic seems as busy as it ever was. I gave up my bike and got a car the second I got my drivers license and don't regret driving at all.

The transit system works out well for very large cities, but for the rest of the US a car is pretty much the only way to go unless the place is within a mile or so and you don't have to drag something heavy home.
 
Public transit has declined in just about every city, now that cars are relatively cheap and mass transit just doesn't fit in with our "right now, my way" attitude. It's not like the old days with street cars ferrying the working poor into cities. I can't speak for everyone, but I do keep up with what's happening in Pittsburgh. My mom has never driven since she left Small Town, USA, so she's totally dependent on the transit system. My youngest brother has yet to even begin the motions to have a license. So they both depend on what they have.

Alas, Port Authority of Allegheny County, the transit agency that runs Pittsburgh buses and few subway cars, has been running a mantra of "raise fares, cut service" for probably the last 30 years.
I hear ya; same story here in Toronto, raise fares and taxes and reduce service. It's not just a result of folks driving cars though, despite every attempt to discourage them with fees, tolls, traffic impediments that drastically raise urban pollution etc., but ironically even folks like Ole Juul; every bicycle rider is one less fare that the folks like your mother for whom a bicycle isn't an option have to make up for somehow, either by reduced service or increased fares.
 
If local city governments were evil you would think they might cut services to get rid of people who use up more city services then they pay taxes for during bad times.
 
If local city governments were evil you would think they might cut services to get rid of people who use up more city services then they pay taxes for during bad times.
Nah, they don't need public transit to get downtown; they're already there sleeping on the sidewalk, although in winter they do seem to appreciate the heat coming up from the subway grates...
 
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