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Urgent request need a ibm 8570 ps/2 computer in working condition

Under "File" there may be an option to exit the program or the bar top left. The program looks like a specialised version of a few "Paint" programs from that era.
 
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Caluser2000 said:
Under "File" there may be an option to exit the program or the bar top left. The program looks look a specialise version of a few "Paint" programs from that era.
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No i know how to get out of the program. that program is matec i think, im talking about the black screen what would i have to type in to see what o/s and version is on it. it comes up c:/ to access design is M1000P
My bad i mistyped on the last post
 
ver then press enter. That will give the Dos version. You can practice it in a Windows command prompt session you formatted the disks in. Though of course that will display the Windows version.
 
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techctn said:
HOUSTON WE HAVE LIFT OFF
HOUSTON WE HAVE A THRUSTER PROBLEM
NOT FINDING HP ADF SO MAY NOT BE RIGHT ONE
Will try and put it on a floppy single file and use copy option diskette?
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Sounds like you managed to get it going, but if you're still working on this...make sure the ADF file has the @ symbol at the beginning of the filename. It's an unusual character and can sometimes get left off.

Also, make sure that Windows hasn't helpfully left the ".ADF" extension off the end of the file, or replaced it with ".TXT". I've had both of those things happen.

Caluser2000 said:
Sounds like you're making progress Todd. Thats what uxwill suggests after IDing the card. Onward and upward...
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I read that information about using "copy an option disk" somewhere on the "Ardent Tool of Capitalism" web site and agree with it completely after personal experience.

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Hmmm Plug n Play you say?
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Yes. Microchannel bus machines are aware of all the hardware they have, through a system known as Programmable Option Select. All cards have a (hopefully, though not always!) unique ID that the system used to match them with an ADF on the reference diskette.

It is the ADF that contains all of the possible configuration values for the card. When you boot the reference disk and/or run automatic configuration, the configuration program goes through and looks at each file to see what configuration options are available for each installed adapter (as well as the planar board). It then tries to set all adapters up such that there are no conflicts.

Microchannel supports interrupt sharing (and does it flawlessly under any OS that also supports it--OS/2 and Windows NT 3.1-4.0 for sure, and probably Linux before MCA bus support was dropped).

If the OS wants to know what resources are in use by a specific device, it only has to query the CMOS RAM to find out.

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uxwbill, i can't believe i had to format the way you showed me lol
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The main reason for doing that is to catch bad diskettes before you try to use them. If you format the diskette from within Windows, newer versions of Windows don't tell you if the disk has bad spots. That's information you need to have.

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made 3 good disk and the first one throw up error read inside the winImage program second went through good and was using a usb fd like you said finicky as crap
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If you see yourself doing more of this, see if your system has an internal connector for a floppy drive. A fair number still do today. If you don't, maybe pick up a Pentium 3 or 4 machine and keep it handy. Dell's OptiPlex line (for sure up to the 760, and probably the 780) have an internal floppy connector and they're both of plentiful and cheap.

I've noticed that 3.5" internal floppy drives have all but disappeared as of late, except for some suspiciously cheap no-name ones that don't seem to work well. Many of these do not support such things as 720KB low density diskettes.

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question, should i have had my perpherials plugged in like my parallel key code and my scanner before the adf. load i didnt, The 601f.adf file ibm doesnt seem to like it,can i put the single file on floppy and use the copy option diskette or find another adf?
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You shouldn't have to plug in anything that connects to the system via an external port in order for configuration to be successful. All you should need is the card to be installed in the machine.

Make sure, if you haven't gotten that part working yet, that the ADF file still has an @ character at the beginning of the file name. It's got to be there.

I'll send you a private message, as you requested.
 
techctn said:
Is there any way of running a harddrive scan on these types of computers?
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Absolutely. You can always choose "test the computer" from the top level menu of the reference diskette once the computer has started from it. However, there is a MUCH better way.

Immediately after you get to the main menu of the reference diskette, press CTRL+A on the keyboard. This will take you to Advanced Diagnostics, where you can pick only the tests you want to run, instead of sitting through all of them.

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here is a pic of the hp looks like its in there i opened the adf and changed some settings, maybe i need to cut the machine off and let it rest still getting the 165 error code and the test i run show controller error
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It does look like you've found and put into place the right ADF. Cards in the system which don't have an ADF show up only as "unrecognized adapter" in the Set Configuration screen.

Don't edit an ADF file with a text editor, unless you're sure of what you're doing. They're only meant as guidelines to tell the configuration software what the actual hardware supports. You can't usually just add something to them or take something away and expect that the hardware will still work right.

The "165" error means that although you're closer to having everything set up correctly, something still isn't quite right (missing ADF, or a suddenly malfunctioning card).
 
techctn said:
Wonder if these parts would work on it?
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You might as well keep those parts handy, because you just never know. The motherboard(s?) in those pictures are both the 20 MHz, later revision "short boards". They're compatible with everything that is in the other, whole computer right now.

techctn said:
the owner said the thing brand new cost $9000.00 and never has had a part replaced except for today which was a new battery
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That was pretty much typical IBM, for the time. I've heard it on good authority that at the time, they manufactured everything to have a minimum ten year service life, and soak tested parts/finished boards prior to final assembly in a system. Marginal boards and parts, which might have otherwise worked fine, were said to be scrapped.

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if anyone knows of a system that would work that we could buy with the same o/s on it would be great
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The only likely "sticky spot" I see is the scanner hardware and matching expansion card. (Well, that and to a lesser extent the 8514/A display. Most SVGA video cards have some degree of compatibility with 8514/A graphics, but the display signal itself will freak out (to use a highly technical term) almost any flat panel display you can find.)

I think the scanner card is essentially an add-on parallel port card, but verify that first!

Any version of DOS after 3.30 (PC-DOS from IBM, MS-DOS from Microsoft, DR-DOS, even FreeDOS 1.0) should work to run the programs on the old computer just fine, assuming they're not copy protected.

Since it's likely that migrating the design program and other software over to a newer computer will take a lot of time and floppy diskettes, you might want to look at old versions of LapLink or the InterLink/InterServer utilities from MS-DOS 6 and later. These can link two computers by way of their serial or parallel ports and allow you to exchange data much more quickly. A parallel port is faster, and you need only find a cable wired "straight through" to make this work. You can use serial ports as well, if you have or can get a "null modem" serial cable/adapter.

If the software itself isn't timing sensitive, it is possible that it might run just fine on a fairly modern computer running a real DOS operating system, so long as that computer has "legacy" connectors like a parallel port, built in.

Yes, I could have used the multi-quote on this as well, but I was lazy.
 
Caluser2000 said:
Backing up a 100meg plus hard drive to 1.44 disks isn't fun. A better option may be a parallel port zip drive. Another option is can do a parallel port file transfer to another using a file transfer program. modem7 has a copy of Laplink for dos on his site IIRC. Depending on the version of Dos there my also be tools already on the system you can use. Of course you can also aquire a MCA nic(with the correct *ADF of course) and transfer files that way. That's probably a better long term option. Look up mTCP(created by a member here) on this site and google. You can use use the FTP suite to transfer files to a more modern box for safe keeping. Another option with a nic is use MS Dos network client and NETBEUI to transfer files to an XP box(with the NETBEUI protocol installed obviously) http://support.microsoft.com/kb/301041
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Fitting a MCA nic is an option also. Interlnk and intersvr are available in a zip file http://www.pcxt-micro.com/dos-interlink.html Members have reported it is not Dos version dependent. Reading my IBM DOS 5.02 Getting Started guide, pages 32 thru 41 incl., shows interlnk and intersvr were included with it.
 
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ver then press enter. That will give the Dos version. You can practice it in a Windows command prompt session you formatted the disks in. Though of course that will display the Windows version.
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The o/s is PC dos 3.3
 
uxwbill said:
You might as well keep those parts handy, because you just never know. The motherboard(s?) in those pictures are both the 20 MHz, later revision "short boards". They're compatible with everything that is in the other, whole computer right now.


That was pretty much typical IBM, for the time. I've heard it on good authority that at the time, they manufactured everything to have a minimum ten year service life, and soak tested parts/finished boards prior to final assembly in a system. Marginal boards and parts, which might have otherwise worked fine, were said to be scrapped.


The only likely "sticky spot" I see is the scanner hardware and matching expansion card. (Well, that and to a lesser extent the 8514/A display. Most SVGA video cards have some degree of compatibility with 8514/A graphics, but the display signal itself will freak out (to use a highly technical term) almost any flat panel display you can find.)

I think the scanner card is essentially an add-on parallel port card, but verify that first!

Any version of DOS after 3.30 (PC-DOS from IBM, MS-DOS from Microsoft, DR-DOS, even FreeDOS 1.0) should work to run the programs on the old computer just fine, assuming they're not copy protected.

Since it's likely that migrating the design program and other software over to a newer computer will take a lot of time and floppy diskettes, you might want to look at old versions of LapLink or the InterLink/InterServer utilities from MS-DOS 6 and later. These can link two computers by way of their serial or parallel ports and allow you to exchange data much more quickly. A parallel port is faster, and you need only find a cable wired "straight through" to make this work. You can use serial ports as well, if you have or can get a "null modem" serial cable/adapter.

If the software itself isn't timing sensitive, it is possible that it might run just fine on a fairly modern computer running a real DOS operating system, so long as that computer has "legacy" connectors like a parallel port, built in.

Yes, I could have used the multi-quote on this as well, but I was lazy.
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We have the design program on floppy so that's not a issue. The o/s is pc dos 3.3. The HP card is for the scanner. I was thinking maybe a early 90s model would work and may be easier to find whole system. The graphics card was for faster response which I bet the onboard would probably work. I think designs are basic
 
uxwbill said:
Absolutely. You can always choose "test the computer" from the top level menu of the reference diskette once the computer has started from it. However, there is a MUCH better way.

Immediately after you get to the main menu of the reference diskette, press CTRL+A on the keyboard. This will take you to Advanced Diagnostics, where you can pick only the tests you want to run, instead of sitting through all of them.

Ctrl + A that's a cool feature to have.


It does look like you've found and put into place the right ADF. Cards in the system which don't have an ADF show up only as "unrecognized adapter" in the Set Configuration screen.

Don't edit an ADF file with a text editor, unless you're sure of what you're doing. They're only meant as guidelines to tell the configuration software what the actual hardware supports. You can't usually just add something to them or take something away and expect that the hardware will still work right.

The "165" error means that although you're closer to having everything set up correctly, something still isn't quite right (missing ADF, or a suddenly malfunctioning card).
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I posted back a page or two about the controller error it give and went into the change configuration settings and changed the code but didn't have time to run a scan again I will do that when I go down there again and use the ctrl a feature. He said it was running smooth today
 

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Here's a list of dos commands to brush up on- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_DOS_commands
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That will come in handy, thanks
I learned off win 98, after a few years i hated it becuase drivers for those systems were terrible, had to go online to find them or have cds full of them. And when it come to a wipe and reload it always seemed like a struggle to get all the drivers back in the 1st go around, or most the time it would take 2 or 3 times or force it by doing scan for hardware changes and maybe it was also because i was in a learning stage too. I don't miss those days lol
 
There was also more $ to be made though. Systems that do not break down do not generate service revenue. :)
 
techctn said:
That will come in handy, thanks
I learned off win 98, after a few years i hated it becuase drivers for those systems were terrible, had to go online to find them or have cds full of them. And when it come to a wipe and reload it always seemed like a struggle to get all the drivers back in the 1st go around, or most the time it would take 2 or 3 times or force it by doing scan for hardware changes and maybe it was also because i was in a learning stage too. I don't miss those days lol
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Putting Dos box on your Windows 7 box may be useful.
 
Wish I had seen this thread 4 days ago. I have an MINT 8570 I could have sold. 16MB memory. 500MB hard drive. XGA2+ video card.
 
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