Ol' Movies on DVD

[CP/M User]

Just out of curiousity, I was just wonderning if anybody else
has an interest, in collecting ol' good looking movies on DVD.

In Australia, the price of DVDs can be quite a bit & while
there are also cheap DVDs with ol' movies on, I believe the
quality of them is the factor. Also since I've updated my
telly with one which is NTSC compatable & has a component
video output (which produces a higher quality image
compared to the standard RCA connector).

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[vic user]

For me, well if i ever won the lottery, thousands would be spent on dvd's.

i would be only getting old sci fi though, and all the apollo series, and carl sagan's contact series

chris

 

[CP/M User]

"vic user" wrote:

> For me, well if i ever won the lottery,
> thousands would be spent on dvd's.

> i would be only getting old sci fi
> though, and all the apollo series,
> and carl sagan's contact series

That apollo series, is that series I've
been watching on telly called from
the Earth to the Moon? What I saw
of it was good, unfortunately I only
caught the last 15 minutes of it in
the final installment! :-(

Quite some time back (when I first
got a DVD player though), there
were a whole heap of early classics
movies which I was collecting, the
ones I collected were Birth of a
Nation, Intolerance, October 1917
(US: October), Battleship Potemkin
(US: Potemkin), March of the
Wooden Soldiers (US: Babes in
Toy Land) & a couple of others,
which I paid good money for. I'd
also collected some cheaper early
Alfred Hitchcock movies, however
I also noticed that other companies
were putting these on DVD at a
lower price.

I was just wonderning if anyone has
found a good quality DVD at a
reasonible price, or have simular
issues with DVDs as us Aussies do?

Also over here we have what's
called a superbit (or something DVD)
which is a lot more, but has improved
picture & quality. The only (I guess
you could call) ol' movie I've seen in
this format is Larence of Arabia, which
is quite expensive, the next I guess
you could say has dated a bit would
be Das Boot (even though there's a
big time gap between both of those
movies).

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[vic user]

Hi;

The Apollo series I would like to get, are the actual footage of the missions. Hours upon hours of them doing their jobs, and that's it. Really expensive dvd's.

the carl sagan 'cosmos' series, is i think on 7 dvd's, (although only 13 1 hour episodes, so they must have added a lot), and it is expensive as well.

we have some stores in the vein of walmart and stuff, that have some cheap dvd's sometimes. i have noticed that some companies are releasing 'double bill' dvd's, where you get 2 non big hit films. they have had a few old horror double bill ones, but most are dramas from the fifties and sutff. i haven't picked up any yet, but i like the idea of what they are doing.

i hope lots of companies end up doing this. perhaps then some obscure films will find a new market.

hope you find a cheap dvd movie place!

chris

 

[CP/M User]

"vic user" wrote:

> The Apollo series I would like to get, are the
> actual footage of the missions. Hours upon
> hours of them doing their jobs, and that's it.
> Really expensive dvd's.

Hundreds or Thousands of Dollars?

The dearest DVDs would be the box sets which
would be around $100-$200 dollar price mark
(although I saw a complete Offical James Bond
set) which was a little bit under $400.

> the carl sagan 'cosmos' series, is i think on
> 7 dvd's, (although only 13 1 hour episodes,
> so they must have added a lot), and it is
> expensive as well.

> we have some stores in the vein of walmart
> and stuff, that have some cheap dvd's
> sometimes. i have noticed that some
> companies are releasing 'double bill' dvd's,
> where you get 2 non big hit films. they have
> had a few old horror double bill ones, but
> most are dramas from the fifties and sutff. i
> haven't picked up any yet, but i like the idea
> of what they are doing.

There's one with 3 Boris Karloff movies I've seen
for under $10 bucks, the review of it thought it
was good value for money, though I've got this
Sherlock Holmes 3 pack where at least 2 of the
movies have awful sound. I've also got a Alfred
Hitchcock 2 pack of his early British Movies, one
to which is the Lodger (done in 1926). Though it's
a much inferior copy from the one I've seen on
the telly in terms of print. The one I first saw on
telly was dyied (blue in the dark or at night or
a mustard colour in light), it was quite good. So
was the sound track done on the telly version.
They made the Lodger a couple of times, AH
redid it with the same actors after sound was
introduced (the original was a silent) & a couple
of other times under a different title, think man
in the attic was one of those names! But for
me the original Silent is quite good & perhaps
a first good movie to see, if you haven't seen
silent movies before, since ol' Hitchey did well
in using images to tell the story, rather than
flick lots of captions. And of course if you like
suspence, this was perhaps the movie which
started it for Hitchy! ;-)

> i hope lots of companies end up doing this.
> perhaps then some obscure films will find a
> new market.

Well yes, I've been given some websites of
places which reviewers look at the quality of
a DVD in particular. It's very tricky with older
movies, because they go into too much detail
about the movies (historically). It's quite
obvious that when a movie dates the quality
of the print deterorates, though with some
movies it's worse that others. One silent movie
review (for a movie that I have), reckons the
quality of the print is outstanding when they
considered the print is 75 years old & would
beat prints from movies done in the 40s. And
other movies they reckon were poor, yet when
I'd looked at them, they looked good (this was
talking about the same movie)!

I think that another secret to these early movies
is that some movie companys updated the prints
& would state on that when the movie was
renewed, generally I reckon that's the best way
of persurving a movie (when one becomes of
age) & now that we have a digital technology in
DVDs, movies will never deteorate.

> hope you find a cheap dvd movie place!


Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[carlsson]

now that we have a digital technology in DVDs, movies will never deteorate.

Of course, in 10-15 years from now, there might be a completely different technology which means all these movies will have another aftermarket to be re-released at. Not sure what aspects will be improved when it comes to old material, but they will come up with something. Maybe extrapolated 3D so the new Hitchcocks can offer a 360 degree view or more.

 

[CP/M User]

"carlsson" write:

>> now that we have a digital technology
>> in DVDs, movies will never deteorate.

> Of course, in 10-15 years from now,
> there might be a completely different
> technology which means all these
> movies will have another aftermarket
> to be re-released at.

I would like to think that there just might.

Of course one such technology I've seen
used on an early Dr. Who episode, has
significally improved the image to the
effect that it was just as good as the
master tape (all these were apparantly
deleted from the early episodes, even
though a number of those early stories
are since lost & haven't appeared).

> Not sure what aspects will be improved
> when it comes to old material, but they
> will come up with something. Maybe
> extrapolated 3D so the new Hitchcocks
> can offer a 360 degree view or more.

Er? I don't think we need a technology
like that, it would entirely change the way
the movie was ment to be watched, the
family wouldn't perhaps allow it either!

No, I guess it just needs to be something
which cleans the images & sharpens it
up (images are supposed to become
blurred with age). And perhaps something
to improve sound (if there's a not of
noise in it! )

If you want something close to 360 degree
views in a Hitchcock film, then I'd suggest
buying Rope, once you've watch it, you'll
understand why they don't show it on telly
(it'd have to be commercial free!)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[vic user]

CP/M user wrote:
Of course one such technology I've seen
used on an early Dr. Who episode, has
significally improved the image to the
effect that it was just as good as the
master tape (all these were apparantly
deleted from the early episodes, even
though a number of those early stories
are since lost & haven't appeared).
-----

Oh! what Dr. Who was it?

I am a massive Who fan, alhtough I only have the Peter Cushing films on dvd. I have tons of VHS tapes though.

There are some sweet dvd's out for Dr. Who, and the one I would love to get is Tomb of the Cybermen.

---
For the Hitchcock films, it would be great if they could compile some interviews and stuff for them and pop them on the dvd. i don't know how much he talked about his films, but it would be interesting to hear about some of his thoughts.

Is 'Rope' the one where they shot in all in one take?

I really like 'Rear Window', especially that brilliant set they made for it.

Chris[/quote]

 

[carlsson]

No, I guess it just needs to be something which cleans the images & sharpens it up (images are supposed to become blurred with age). And perhaps something to improve sound (if there's a not of noise in it!

How much can you improve things? Sure, the computers or other technology of tomorrow might be able to extrapolate in 2D if not 3D is required.

Maybe movies as a whole will go out of fashion, and people instead can jack in their brain directly into a computer which will feed them with memories of what they have seen or experienced. Voila! Instant movie, you can remember and analyse a three hour within five seconds. There will of course be a market for annotated moviegrams, as the marketers will call them. The difference between a raw and an annotated moviegram is that someone has actually bothered to see the movie and manually picked out the highlights and analysis, while the raw one is computer generated based on a common ruleset.

Ermm.. maybe it is time I take my medicine now?

 

[Terry Yager]

Maybe movies as a whole will go out of fashion, and people instead can jack in their brain directly into a computer which will feed them with memories of what they have seen or experienced. Voila! Instant movie, you can remember and analyse a three hour within five seconds. There will of course be a market for annotated moviegrams, as the marketers will call them. The difference between a raw and an annotated moviegram is that someone has actually bothered to see the movie and manually picked out the highlights and analysis, while the raw one is computer generated based on a common ruleset.

Ermm.. maybe it is time I take my medicine now?

Sounds great! Where do I jack-in at?

--T

 

[CP/M User]

"vic user" wrote:

>> Of course one such technology I've seen
>> used on an early Dr. Who episode, has
>> significally improved the image to the
>> effect that it was just as good as the
>> master tape (all these were apparantly
>> deleted from the early episodes, even
>> though a number of those early stories
>> are since lost & haven't appeared).
-----

> Oh! what Dr. Who was it?

> I am a massive Who fan, alhtough I only
> have the Peter Cushing films on dvd. I
> have tons of VHS tapes though.

Well if you have Planet of Giants on VHS
then this is the story which had this process
(I explained above) done on Episodes 1 & 2.
Planet of Giants was a 3 part story which
was originally ment to be 4 episodes. The
reason why episode 3 was treated with this
newer process, was becuase it was
transfered from a different video source (35mm
film) because episode 3 had to be edited down
from 4 episodes (it's all explained if you buy the
video). I reckon this looks much better than the
other old Dr. Whos which were untreated (well
in B&W I'd imagine), becuase it's much
smoother & not so jerky. There had been a few
other early Dr. Whos which have also had this
effect done on, which was a box set of the 3
other storys featuring the first doctor (William
Hartnell).

I'm not sure if the DVD's have had this done,
it possible I guess, even though I've got the
Aztecs on DVD which looks to be quite good
(unless it's just the DVD making it look better!
.

> There are some sweet dvd's out for Dr. Who,
> and the one I would love to get is Tomb of the
> Cybermen.

I've got Tomb of the Cybermen on Video (this
happen when my friend got it & lent me his),
I just loved it, so I was overjoyed when they
found the entire 4 episodes in some Church (if
I correctly recall). But you're right, I should
get the DVD. I mean there's no substitute for
quality. I would also be good if they've done
that video effect on it (since the video version
has everyone running around the place!

---
> For the Hitchcock films, it would be great if
> they could compile some interviews and stuff
> for them and pop them on the dvd. i don't
> know how much he talked about his films, but
> it would be interesting to hear about some of
> his thoughts.

> Is 'Rope' the one where they shot in all in one
> take?

Yes, I guess if you look at it like that. Though
you must remember that Hitchy did it in 10
minute takes, which effectly using the film for
10 minutes & then going to the next lot of film.
If you look carefully, you'll see when they
make the change. But it's as if it's all done in
one evening. Even though the movie is basic
(even though it works), it's the filming of it
which just makes it such a unique film (even
though there was another movie make like
this, to which I'd fogotten the name of), Rope
was the real successor in the way it was filmed.

> I really like 'Rear Window', especially that
> brilliant set they made for it.

At Paramount studios, it's funny when I saw
Rope I felt it has those elements which you
see in Rear Window, expect in that, it's
everyone else having the party. When I first
saw the movie, I understood how old it was,
but the way people talked in the movie back
then was graphic in a way (without showing
the body all cut up), though it's a classic, I
was even more rapped when I saw Rear
Window at the Cinema, in all reconditioned
beauty. All I need now is the DVD when it
comes down in price! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[vic user]

You have no idea how refreshing this is to be talking about
Dr. Who! Most people I talk to about Dr. Who, are just
humouring me

I have only seen Planet of Giants on TV, and that was a couple
of years ago, so I can't remember seeing quality differences.

The Aztecs is a good one, especially with the Doctor and
Comika? That old woman who flirts with him. Interesting side to the Doctor.

If they have Keys of Marinus on dvd, I would love to get
that one!

The scene where all the cybermen are coming down from the tombs
is wicked! Maybe your friend will lend you the dvd, so you
can see the difference in quality. I wonder what the added stuff is too?

Tomb, is one story I never thought I would see.
Tenth Planet was another one of those stories that was lost
and then found, except for the final episode. I freaked when I saw that one available for sale!

I don't know if you have some of the stories with missing
episodes, but I think BBC do a good job of using still images,
voice overs, and narration, to fill in these missing episodes.

I think they are down to 103 missing episodes, all from
the Hartnell and Troughton eras. I could be wrong about the number.

They just found an episode of Dalek MasterPlan, which
I would just love to see, since Nicolas Courtney plays a
space pilot in that one!

Another thing i love about Dr. Who, is seeing actors in one
story, and then a few years leater, there they are again
playing someone completely different!

I have all but 3 Jon Pertwee stories, so almost done with him.

Then I am going to focus on Hartnell and Troughton.

I wonder what the actors thought about Rope?
Did they like shooting a film like that?
It still blows my mind when I hear that most movies are filmed
out of sequence.

Chris

 

[CP/M User]

"vic user" wrote:

> You have no idea how refreshing this is to be
> talking about Dr. Who! Most people I talk to
> about Dr. Who, are just humouring me

> I have only seen Planet of Giants on TV, and
> that was a couple of years ago, so I can't
> remember seeing quality differences.

Yeah, the video I have was came out in 2002,
so I guess what you saw was the transformation,
though I guess you can't tell with these things,
they could have shown the old print to it.

I certainally noticed the difference, because it
increased the amount of frames (or something)
which brought a smoother moving picture. It
was more noticable when they were doing the
camera movements.

> The Aztecs is a good one, especially with the
> Doctor and Comika? That old woman who
> flirts with him. Interesting side to the Doctor.

Heh!

> If they have Keys of Marinus on dvd, I would
> love to get that one!

Haven't seen it on DVD as yet here, there've just
brought out the Two Doctors with Patrick Troughton
& Colin Baker, which is perhaps the one I liked
most when Colin Baker was the main doctor.

I've got Key of Marinus on Video, but would love
to get that on DVD when it comes out, I think it's
clever in how each story they face a challenge &
it all comes back to finding the keys!

> The scene where all the cybermen are coming
> down from the tombs is wicked! Maybe your
> friend will lend you the dvd, so you can see the
> difference in quality. I wonder what the added
> stuff is too?

No, well I haven't see him in quite some time, so
I don't know if they have a DVD or if they would
have Tomb of the Cybermen on DVD, they lent
me the video when it came out (around 1992 I
believe), I'll just buy it regardless, cause that's
another one I like.

> Tomb, is one story I never thought I would see.
> Tenth Planet was another one of those stories
> that was lost and then found, except for the
> final episode. I freaked when I saw that one
> available for sale!

No, actually in the Dr. Who 20th Anniversary Special
catalogue it mentions that the first 3 episodes were
always around (they were never deleted), it was just
the last episode which was deleted & they have never
been able to find. It explains with the video what
happened with the last episode & why it was deleted,
though I think it's amazing how they used photo
images & how they were about to put merge a moving
image from a photo image (with images they had
found) & then complete the end where the Doctor
changes his appearence (with the material that had
of that).

However, I can say that the late Hartnell story which
was missing (& now on video) is the War Machines. I
thought that was another great story. At one stage
(in the 20th Anniversary special catalogue) it mentioned
that episode 1, 3 & 4 were missing. While they have done
well in obtaining footage (from all sorts of different
sources), some of it is still missing, though they have
at least collected enough material to make it watchable
& enjoyable!

> I don't know if you have some of the stories with missing
> episodes, but I think BBC do a good job of using still images,
> voice overs, and narration, to fill in these missing episodes.

On video, yes I basically got all the stories which have missing
episodes or which are complete stories which have been missing at
one stage or another. There are a couple of Hartnell stories I
don't have (The Darlek Invasion of Earth, The Chase & The Web
Planet, I think that's about the ones I don't have, one of the 2
mention I've already seen on DVD - TDIOE, but price has been
dragging me back).

But of the audio CDs which have been introduced of stories which
are missing, I think it's great what they have been able to do
with it & put someone in those stories which were part of the
stories originally. I don't have a lot of those either, because
I've been either too short of money, or haven't seen the stories
which I don't have (which I know are on CD). Galaxy Four is one
of my favourites featurning the first Doctor & the Chubey's though
the others I've got have been good. The Second Doctor is a much
harder one (because the stories seem to be more gripping & I just
love Patrick Troughton - because he's a bit of a dag! The
Macra Terror is always been a good one, even though the Faceless
Ones was great as well & so was Enermy of the World. I also got
the Web of Fear, but I found that one to be quite difficult to
follow (for some strange reason, because the read up about it
sounds great!

> I think they are down to 103 missing episodes, all from
> the Hartnell and Troughton eras. I could be wrong about the
> number.

In the box set of the Crusade, they say there's 109, but they
might have found some since (that was the last story I got
which had one of the episodes of the Crusade recovered). They
did that one back in June 1999!

> They just found an episode of Dalek MasterPlan, which
> I would just love to see, since Nicolas Courtney plays a
> space pilot in that one!

I've known for quite some time that one of the episodes of
the Dalek Master Plan wasn't lost (I can't remember which,
I think it was 6 or 7).

> Another thing i love about Dr. Who, is seeing actors in one
> story, and then a few years leater, there they are again
> playing someone completely different!

The only one who comes to mind is Derek Newmark(?) who was in
the first Dr. Who story (An Unearthy child) & then made a
return in Inferno (which ironically enough was the last story
to feature the original tardis console - if you didn't already
know). I though he was great in Inferno, in An Unearthy Child
he played one of the Cave people. Of course there's that bloke
from the Crusade (Julian Glover) which went on to be a movie
actor in some of the big movies!

But yeah, if you're speaking of Nicolas Courtney comming back
as another character & then yeah, it's great. Whenever I watch
the War Machines now, I always think that perhaps that story
was the creation of Unit, for when they get in the military
people to destroy those machines, though I suppose the Web of
Fear could have done that as well (it's very hard because you
simply can't watch it).

> I have all but 3 Jon Pertwee stories, so almost done with him.

He was like a companion when he was with Jon Pertwee, Inferno
would have to be one of my favourites from Jon, cause it's got
everything (even humor at the end & start! Even though I've
got it on video, the DVD would be worth getting, IMO getting
that is a step foward towards greater technology! ;-)

> Then I am going to focus on Hartnell and Troughton.

I have all the Troughton stories (except for the Two Doctors
if you include Troughton & Jamie in that) & the Troughton
Years (or the Cybermen years which had episodes 1 & 2 I think
of the Moonbase), even the Ice Warriors (which you probably
won't find now, since it was a limited edition video - though
they'll probably come out with that on DVD). I pretty much
liked all the Troughton stories I got, but Tomb of the
Cybermen, The Ice Warriors, The Invasion, The Seeds of Death
& The War Games are the ones which stand out as being some
of the better ones I got on Video. The Invasion was great
(even though episodes 1 & 4 are missing, though Nicholas
Courtney does a good job at filling in those Missing Episodes).
Perhaps if it comes out on DVD, they'll use the techniques
they used in the Ice Warriors & The Tenth Plannet to link it
all up (hope they do!

> I wonder what the actors thought about Rope?

I don't think it bothered James Stewart a bit, because when
he was asked what his worse movie was, he said Pot o' Gold.

I've got Pot o' Gold on Video as part of a James Stewart 3
pack (with It's a Wonderful Life & Made for each other being
the other 2 movies & incidently brought because of It's a
Wonderful Life being on there! ;-) Pot o' Gold is perhaps
not one of his better movies, but it's watchable & a little
bit funny!

Rope wasn't exactly James Stewart's favourite movie that
he'd done, I just found out recently when I brought the
movie Harvey which had an interview on the DVD with James
Stewart (from 1990 or there abouts) enjoyed doing this
movie so much. He'd probably have perfered doing Rope,
than having a layed back role in Rear Window! ;-)

> Did they like shooting a film like that?

It wasn't so much the way they did it, I believe, the main
issue behind the filming was the amount of money spent on
the amount of tape used, it was quite expensive from what
I've heard & it would be extremely difficult to put this
practice into any movie I should think. It's very difficult
to explain, because the documtary I saw was quite some time
ago, which explained more properly the expense at filming
this way & cause Rope was only a short movie, which was part
of the cost issues faced from filming. Any mistakes done
from the actors would have also costed a significant amount
in re-filming (I suppose).

> It still blows my mind when I hear that most movies are filmed
> out of sequence.

Then you wouldn't like to be the person editing the film then! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[CP/M User]

Whizz bang invention, about to revoulise movie watching! ;-)

Whizz bang invention, about to revoulise movie watching! ;-)

"carlsson" wrote:

> Maybe movies as a whole will go out
> of fashion, and people instead can
> jack in their brain directly into a
> computer which will feed them with
> memories of what they have seen or
> experienced.

Wouldn't work for me, since my memory
can get clouded! ;-)

> Ermm.. maybe it is time I take my
> medicine now?

Err, that might be okay for 50 years
down the track! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[vic user]

Goodness you write a lot!

I am sure I will miss commenting on much you have written.

At least I know a good chat topic for me

[/quote]Two Doctors with Patrick Troughton
& Colin Baker, which is perhaps the one I liked
most when Colin Baker was the main doctor.

I liked the Two doctors one as well. Colin Baker sure had a quick role as the doctor, that's for sure.

actually i thought dr. who started to not be so good at about the end of tom baker's

I've got Key of Marinus on Video, but would love
to get that on DVD when it comes out, I think it's
clever in how each story they face a challenge &
it all comes back to finding the keys!

I agree totally. Very good story. It's a great read too! Hartnell and Troughton really had some good plots, that's for sure.
I would like to get the Ark. Loved it, especially that cliff hanger when they return to the ark and notice the changed statue head!

The web planet could really use some video magic on it, as it is very dated, and doesn't help that they used some kind of camera filter, to give the landscape that lunar space look.

I have no audio cd's, but i would love to get some. like you, much of my buying dr. who stuff is dictated by the prices.

I try and collect as many odd books and sutff that i can though. i have some pretty wild books!

You have seen way more of the early dr. who's than i have.

Invasion was excellent, i agree.
it's too bad that Tobias Vaughn had to die, because he would have made and excellent recurring enemy. great acting by the game who played him. i can still recall the sound of his voice, calling his head of security.

those old cybermen stories were awesome. very menacing enemies.

the only thing that bugged me about Inferno, is the werewolf look to people that get, after contacting the green goo. i just thought they should have looked different. i am sure that many of the actors must have loved playing alternative reality versions of their characters. i liked liz shaw as well, and wished she would have been around longer.
mind you, jo grant was my fav companion the doctor had, follwed by jamie and zoe.

my daughter is named Zoe, after the character! yes, my daughter knows, and loves the idea. we also watch an episode a night during supper

i really enjoy looking for all the actors appearing in different roles in dr. who. god, there are so many of them:

the director in "the silurians" happens to be Nider in "genesis of the daleks"

harry sullivan first appeared in 'carnival of monsters'

of course i am sure you know about colin baker being a timelord guard during tom baker's reign

tons more examples

also, roy from eastenders was in "colony in space" and gayle from coronation street played a young teenager in that story as well!

ok, i better get back to work

talk to you soon CP/M user!

chris

 

[CP/M User]

"vic user" wrote:

> Goodness you write a lot!

I had to save half of it & come back to it (because I
ran out of time)!

> I am sure I will miss commenting on much you
> have written.

Oh dear, I though I made it clear, but if it's too much
reading, then I'll try & cut down!

> At least I know a good chat topic for me

>> Two Doctors with Patrick Troughton
>> & Colin Baker, which is perhaps the one I liked
>> most when Colin Baker was the main doctor.

> I liked the Two doctors one as well. Colin Baker
> sure had a quick role as the doctor, that's for sure.

Yeah, he did have a quick role as Doctor. I tend to be
less interested in the later Who's unfortunately.

> actually i thought dr. who started to not be so
> good at about the end of tom baker's

Yeah, I guess lots of people think that, because Tom
Baker was so good & played the role for so long as
well as being most peoples favorite, I think Tom is
very good, but I liked Patrick more (even though he
did make a lot of stories), 'cause he's a real dag
(which I just love in a character), some people would
hate it for the same reason.

I didn't mind Peter Davison, but after that I kinda
lost a bit of interest in the other Doctors (even though
I thought the Two Doctors was great, cause it just
goes to show, you could catch up with your other self).

>> I've got Key of Marinus on Video, but would love
>> to get that on DVD when it comes out, I think it's
>> clever in how each story they face a challenge &
>> it all comes back to finding the keys!

> I agree totally. Very good story. It's a great read
> too! Hartnell and Troughton really had some good
> plots, that's for sure.

Yes, I guess that's what made them great, for the
stories they had on offer. Obviously when Patrick
came on the scene they had less stories based on
history & had more stories in the relms of fantasy
which was good. From what I heard William Hartnell
enjoyed doing more of those times in history kinda
thing (even though there was a mixture of stories).

The Highlanders would be one of the few historical
stories which the Second Doctor did.

Even though Jon Petwee was exiled to Earth, they
still seemed to have good ideas for the stories &
gave the Doctor the evil Master to contend with!

Spearhead from Space started off okay, but like
all first stories featurning the Doctor, they got
better.

> I would like to get the Ark. Loved it, especially
> that cliff hanger when they return to the ark and
> notice the changed statue head!

Yes, I've got the Ark on Video. It's clever how they
do that story & how the aliens in it had changed
mainly due to the Doctors first visit.

> The web planet could really use some video
> magic on it, as it is very dated, and doesn't
> help that they used some kind of camera filter,
> to give the landscape that lunar space look.

Yes, it is a bit doom & gloomly, it's been a while
since I've seen that one though.

> I have no audio cd's, but i would love to get
> some. like you, much of my buying dr. who stuff
> is dictated by the prices.

Oh okay. Well my suggestions may help, even
though they were my favorites. Even though there's
stories like the Daleks Masterplan on CD, it is quite
a bit of money (even though you get a few CDs).
(As I said) Galaxy Four is one of my favourites which
was reasonibly priced.

> I try and collect as many odd books and sutff that i
> can though. i have some pretty wild books!

Only Who book I took a look at was Dr Who The
Sixties, it was quite good the way they covered the
Actors & their careers & stuff.

> You have seen way more of the early dr. who's
> than i have.

Heh! Originally I brought them, because our ABC
wasn't showning them & it's only now where they
have brought back Dr Who 4 nights a week &
are showning it from the Beginning & showing the
stories which aren't missing, last noticed they were
up to Tomb of the Cybermen.

> Invasion was excellent, i agree.
> it's too bad that Tobias Vaughn had to die,
> because he would have made and excellent
> recurring enemy. great acting by the game who
> played him. i can still recall the sound of his
> voice, calling his head of security.

Vaughn's one of the most layed back enermys,
I've ever seen, even though he had his shades
of anger (at particularly Paker), he would be so
quickly layed back afterwards. I quite liked it!

> those old cybermen stories were awesome.
> very menacing enemies.

The Tenth Planet was good, but I thought that
Tomb of the Cybermen & The Invasion were
slightly better. Can't say why, I think there
all very good, in the Tenth Planet they had to
change the script a bit (due to some
complications surrounding William Hartnell
health I think it was), but it was still a great
story.

> the only thing that bugged me about Inferno,
> is the werewolf look to people that get, after
> contacting the green goo. i just thought they
> should have looked different. i am sure that
> many of the actors must have loved playing
> alternative reality versions of their characters.
> i liked liz shaw as well, and wished she would
> have been around longer.

No, I quite liked the Werewolf look about it,
even though it would look a bit scarey for young
ones. It's kinda like Who Meets the Werewolf in
a horror kinda frame!

> mind you, jo grant was my fav companion the
> doctor had, follwed by jamie and zoe.

I liked the Brigadier as a companion (even though
he didn't really fly around in the TARDIS - well
I guess the Three Doctors was his first experience,
even though the TARDIS wasn't working! ;-)

Jamie would have to be my next favourite as part
of the crew of the TARDIS, it added to part of the
fun with the second doctor!

> my daughter is named Zoe, after the
> character! yes, my daughter knows, and loves
> the idea. we also watch an episode a night
> during supper

We named our cat Zoe (after Zoe, since that was
the best name I could think of).

> i really enjoy looking for all the actors appearing
> in different roles in dr. who. god, there are so
> many of them:

> the director in "the silurians" happens to be Nider
> in "genesis of the daleks"

> harry sullivan first appeared in 'carnival of
> monsters'

Oh dear, I hadn't noticed, even though I have
Carnival of Monsters.

> of course i am sure you know about colin baker
> being a timelord guard during tom baker's reign

No, actually. I'm trying to get better aquainted with
the Tom Baker years, even though I've seen quite
a few Tom Baker stories, it's been a while! :-(

> tons more examples

> also, roy from eastenders was in "colony in
> space" and gayle from coronation street played a
> young teenager in that story as well!

I'm not really familiar with them (sorry!)-:

Maybe I should watch more telly! ;-)

> ok, i better get back to work

Good!

> talk to you soon CP/M user!

Heh!

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[vic user]

-----
Yeah, I guess lots of people think that, because Tom
Baker was so good & played the role for so long as
well as being most peoples favorite, I think Tom is
very good, but I liked Patrick more (even though he
did make a lot of stories), 'cause he's a real dag
(which I just love in a character), some people would
hate it for the same reason.

I didn't mind Peter Davison, but after that I kinda
lost a bit of interest in the other Doctors (even though
I thought the Two Doctors was great, cause it just
goes to show, you could catch up with your other self).
-----

I have found that most people's fav Doctor, is the one they
first got acquainted with. I first got exposed to Jon Pertwee,
and let me tell you, I was shocked as hell when he transformed
into Tom Baker. I hated his guts through most of 'Robot'

-----
Yes, I guess that's what made them great, for the
stories they had on offer. Obviously when Patrick
came on the scene they had less stories based on
history & had more stories in the realms of fantasy
which was good. From what I heard William Hartnell
enjoyed doing more of those times in history kinda
thing (even though there was a mixture of stories).
-----

Hartnell had a good mix of historical and fantastic I think.
Certainly not many historical stories as time went on, and
eventually not very many Earth related stories as well.

------
Even though Jon Petwee was exiled to Earth, they
still seemed to have good ideas for the stories &
gave the Doctor the evil Master to contend with!
-----

I really liked the banter between the Doctor and the Master.
Roger Delgado was great, and it's too bad he died so young.
It also affected the tie in between 'Frontier in Space' and
'Planet of the Daleks'.

-----
Spearhead from Space started off okay, but like
all first stories featuring the Doctor, they got
better.
-----

I love those freaky autons jumping out of the bushes in that
story!

-----
Oh okay. Well my suggestions may help, even
though they were my favorites. Even though there's
stories like the Daleks Masterplan on CD, it is quite
a bit of money (even though you get a few CDs).
(As I said) Galaxy Four is one of my favorites which
was reasonably priced.
-----

I will look for 'Galaxy Four' then. I like the idea of
getting some, as it would feel like sitting down to a radio
drama. I have 'Ice Warriors' that as you know, has a cd with it.
I had no idea it was a limited edition. Glad I picked it up!

One thing that I find amazing about 'Ice Warriors', is that the
writers made a mistake with some basic biology. They mention
that the new ice age occurred, due to there being hardly any plants
left on the Earth, and thus reduced levels of carbon dioxide.
I think the Doctor even says; "No more plants, no more carbon
dioxide", which just makes me cringe.

In reality, plants use carbon dioxide, along with water and a bit
of energy, to produce glucose and oxygen, through the process of
photosynthesis. Thus, with no plants, we would have increased
levels of carbon dioxide. Even at the BBC site, their review of
the story mentions "The Doctor rightfully states that ....".
Ugh!

-----
Only Who book I took a look at was Dr Who The
Sixties, it was quite good the way they covered the
Actors & their careers & stuff.
-----

I have a lot of paperbacks. A lot of my teenage time was spent
reading stories that I thought I would never see on TV.
Glad I get to see them now!

I have the 'Third Doctor Who Handbook', which is a fat paperback,
and has tons of info about all the stories etc.

I would like to get the other handbooks as well.

The 'Cybermen' book by David Banks is excellent! I recommend that one.

I would love to see your 'sixties' book. Must have some sweet
production pics and stuff!

-----
Heh! Originally I brought them, because our ABC
wasn't showing them & it's only now where they
have brought back Dr Who 4 nights a week &
are showing it from the Beginning & showing the
stories which aren't missing, last noticed they were
up to Tomb of the Cybermen.
-----

Lucky bugger.
I have BBC Kids here, and they do show Dr. Who, but only Tom Baker,
and keep recycling the same 15 stories or so.

-----
The Tenth Planet was good, but I thought that
Tomb of the Cybermen & The Invasion were
slightly better. Can't say why, I think there
all very good, in the Tenth Planet they had to
change the script a bit (due to some
complications surrounding William Hartnell
health I think it was), but it was still a great
story.
-----

I certainly enjoyed the voices of the cybermen in
'Tenth Planet'. Really caught me by surprise.

I have also felt that cybermen are the original Borg.
I mean look what they do to people they catch for pete's sakes.
Cybermen often say things like; "You will become like us"
or "Resistance is futile".


-----
No, I quite liked the Werewolf look about it,
even though it would look a bit scary for young
ones. It's kinda like Who Meets the Werewolf in
a horror kinda frame!
-----

Ok, I will try and look at them in a different light then.
Perhaps moonlight

-----
I liked the Brigadier as a companion (even though
he didn't really fly around in the TARDIS - well
I guess the Three Doctors was his first experience,
even though the TARDIS wasn't working! ;-)

Jamie would have to be my next favorite as part
of the crew of the TARDIS, it added to part of the
fun with the second doctor!

We named our cat Zoe (after Zoe, since that was
the best name I could think of).
-----

Jamie, Zoe, and the Doctor had a great chemistry.
God, I was so sad that the Timelord's erased their memories.
That was so cruel!

I also enjoyed Ian and Barbara. I really enjoyed how they
became matured travelers through the stories.

God, I hate screamers though, so you can imagine what I
think of Susan and Victoria.

-----
No, actually. I'm trying to get better aquatinted with
the Tom Baker years, even though I've seen quite
a few Tom Baker stories, it's been a while! :-(
-----

Too bad we don't live down the street from each other.
We could do some video swapping.

I just joined a science fiction group in my city, and am
hoping to run into fellow Whovians, and do some video swapping
or having some public viewing.

Talk to you soon
Chris

 

[CP/M User]

"vic user" wrote:

>> Yeah, I guess lots of people think that, because Tom
>> Baker was so good & played the role for so long as
>> well as being most peoples favorite, I think Tom is
>> very good, but I liked Patrick more (even though he
>> did make a lot of stories), 'cause he's a real dag
>> (which I just love in a character), some people would
>> hate it for the same reason.

>> I didn't mind Peter Davison, but after that I kinda
>> lost a bit of interest in the other Doctors (even though
>> I thought the Two Doctors was great, cause it just
>> goes to show, you could catch up with your other self).

> I have found that most people's fav Doctor, is the one they
> first got acquainted with. I first got exposed to Jon Pertwee,
> and let me tell you, I was shocked as hell when he transformed
> into Tom Baker. I hated his guts through most of 'Robot'

Well the first Doctor I remember seeing was Tom Baker & cause
that's who they used to show a lot. But after seeing Patrick
Troughton, I enjoyed him as Doctor even more!

>> Yes, I guess that's what made them great, for the
>> stories they had on offer. Obviously when Patrick
>> came on the scene they had less stories based on
>> history & had more stories in the realms of fantasy
>> which was good. From what I heard William Hartnell
>> enjoyed doing more of those times in history kinda
>> thing (even though there was a mixture of stories).

> Hartnell had a good mix of historical and fantastic I think.
> Certainly not many historical stories as time went on, and
> eventually not very many Earth related stories as well.

Guess the ideas just ran out on what historical era they wanted
to do or where on Earth they wanted to go. I guess they could
have done a story & based it around Robin Hood (I don't think
they did anything like that - unless she's a missing episode),
but that would have made for a good story I would have thought.

The most unusual historical story I've seen would have to be
The Gunfighters, it's just jazzed up to much with the singing
& stuff. Aparantly, that episode of Dr. Who brought in the
ratings well when it was first aired on the BBC in 1966(?),
because Westerns were at the height of public interest!


>> Even though Jon Petwee was exiled to Earth, they
>> still seemed to have good ideas for the stories &
>> gave the Doctor the evil Master to contend with!


> I really liked the banter between the Doctor and the Master.
> Roger Delgado was great, and it's too bad he died so young.
> It also affected the tie in between 'Frontier in Space' and
> 'Planet of the Daleks'.

>> Spearhead from Space started off okay, but like
>> all first stories featuring the Doctor, they got
>> better.

> I love those freaky autons jumping out of the bushes in that
> story!

It's the story's good, well I guess you could say that it
encouraged better stories, Spearhead had to start from the
beginning with the Doctor changing his appearence, the first
episode with Peter Davison started off slow because Davison
(if I correctly recall) was paralised durning the early stages
of that story, but I thought it was good in how the Master
came back to haunt in (from the previous story).

>> Oh okay. Well my suggestions may help, even
>> though they were my favorites. Even though there's
>> stories like the Daleks Masterplan on CD, it is quite
>> a bit of money (even though you get a few CDs).
>> (As I said) Galaxy Four is one of my favorites which
>> was reasonably priced.

> I will look for 'Galaxy Four' then. I like the idea of
> getting some, as it would feel like sitting down to a radio
> drama. I have 'Ice Warriors' that as you know, has a cd with it.
> I had no idea it was a limited edition. Glad I picked it up!

You would have seen the Missing Years (after the Ice Warriors) &
some rare footage from Galaxy Four. Those Chumbleys are about as
Cute as they can be, even the sounds they make are cute!

> One thing that I find amazing about 'Ice Warriors', is that the
> writers made a mistake with some basic biology. They mention
> that the new ice age occurred, due to there being hardly any plants
> left on the Earth, and thus reduced levels of carbon dioxide.
> I think the Doctor even says; "No more plants, no more carbon
> dioxide", which just makes me cringe.

> In reality, plants use carbon dioxide, along with water and a bit
> of energy, to produce glucose and oxygen, through the process of
> photosynthesis. Thus, with no plants, we would have increased
> levels of carbon dioxide. Even at the BBC site, their review of
> the story mentions "The Doctor rightfully states that ....".
> Ugh!

Looks like someone has to do some basic science, Tomb of the
Cybermen maybe questionable too, yet the Doctor still managed to
open those doors! ;-)

>> Only Who book I took a look at was Dr Who The
>> Sixties, it was quite good the way they covered the
>> Actors & their careers & stuff.

> I have a lot of paperbacks. A lot of my teenage time was spent
> reading stories that I thought I would never see on TV.
> Glad I get to see them now!

Unfortunately, I more of the Non-Fiction book reader! :-(

> I have the 'Third Doctor Who Handbook', which is a fat paperback,
> and has tons of info about all the stories etc.

> I would like to get the other handbooks as well.

> The 'Cybermen' book by David Banks is excellent! I recommend that
> one.

> I would love to see your 'sixties' book. Must have some sweet
> production pics and stuff!

Well it wasn't exactly mine, I borrowed it from the local library,
but was still a very good book. I should have brought it, but
perhaps didn't have the money at the time! :-(

>> Heh! Originally I brought them, because our ABC
>> wasn't showing them & it's only now where they
>> have brought back Dr Who 4 nights a week &
>> are showing it from the Beginning & showing the
>> stories which aren't missing, last noticed they were
>> up to Tomb of the Cybermen.

> Lucky bugger.
> I have BBC Kids here, and they do show Dr. Who, but only Tom Baker,
> and keep recycling the same 15 stories or so.

They used to do that to us & start us at Robot. Funny thing is that
I've never seen it! ;-)

>> The Tenth Planet was good, but I thought that
>> Tomb of the Cybermen & The Invasion were
>> slightly better. Can't say why, I think there
>> all very good, in the Tenth Planet they had to
>> change the script a bit (due to some
>> complications surrounding William Hartnell
>> health I think it was), but it was still a great
>> story.

> I certainly enjoyed the voices of the cybermen in
> 'Tenth Planet'. Really caught me by surprise.

Oh yeah, they were fun!

> I have also felt that cybermen are the original Borg.
> I mean look what they do to people they catch for pete's sakes.
> Cybermen often say things like; "You will become like us"
> or "Resistance is futile".

Which Cybermen stories was this? Unfortunately, I don't recall!

>> No, I quite liked the Werewolf look about it,
>> even though it would look a bit scary for young
>> ones. It's kinda like Who Meets the Werewolf in
>> a horror kinda frame!

> Ok, I will try and look at them in a different light then.
> Perhaps moonlight

>> I liked the Brigadier as a companion (even though
>> he didn't really fly around in the TARDIS - well
>> I guess the Three Doctors was his first experience,
>> even though the TARDIS wasn't working!

>> Jamie would have to be my next favorite as part
>> of the crew of the TARDIS, it added to part of the
>> fun with the second doctor!

>> We named our cat Zoe (after Zoe, since that was
>> the best name I could think of).

> Jamie, Zoe, and the Doctor had a great chemistry.
> God, I was so sad that the Timelord's erased their memories.
> That was so cruel!

Not entirely! ;-)

> I also enjoyed Ian and Barbara. I really enjoyed how they
> became matured travelers through the stories.

The best episode I would have to say with Ian in was the Space
Museum where he's got that Ray gun & escorts that Alien into
the preparation room where the Doctor is frozen stiff (chilling
stuff!

> God, I hate screamers though, so you can imagine what I
> think of Susan and Victoria.

Zoe had her turn in the Mind Robber, I kinda found it a bit
weird! ;-) Vic was a better screamer! ;-)

>> No, actually. I'm trying to get better aquatinted with
>> the Tom Baker years, even though I've seen quite
>> a few Tom Baker stories, it's been a while!

> Too bad we don't live down the street from each other.
> We could do some video swapping.

Heh! ;-)

> I just joined a science fiction group in my city, and am
> hoping to run into fellow Whovians, and do some video
> swapping or having some public viewing.

I tried to get into the Doctor Who fan club in my local
city, but they weren't interested in me for some reason.
Perhaps it was because I was expecting a 'FREE"
registeration which came with updates & Catalogues! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.

 

[vic user]

you stuff is in " " CP/M user:

"CP/M" wrote:

"Well the first Doctor I remember seeing was Tom Baker & cause
that's who they used to show a lot. But after seeing Patrick
Troughton, I enjoyed him as Doctor even more! "

I never would have thought Tom was the first you saw!


"Guess the ideas just ran out on what historical era they wanted
to do or where on Earth they wanted to go. I guess they could
have done a story & based it around Robin Hood (I don't think
they did anything like that - unless she's a missing episode),
but that would have made for a good story I would have thought.

The most unusual historical story I've seen would have to be
The Gunfighters, it's just jazzed up to much with the singing
& stuff. Aparantly, that episode of Dr. Who brought in the
ratings well when it was first aired on the BBC in 1966(?),
because Westerns were at the height of public interest! "

I think you are right, the Rbin Hood thing would have been cool,
especially if the companions got to become part of the 'merry men'

Yep, that western one was way out there! Still, it's funny that they
get the Doctor mixed up in all of that!


"It's the story's good, well I guess you could say that it
encouraged better stories, Spearhead had to start from the
beginning with the Doctor changing his appearence, the first
episode with Peter Davison started off slow because Davison
(if I correctly recall) was paralised durning the early stages
of that story, but I thought it was good in how the Master
came back to haunt in (from the previous story)."

It's pretty weird that the new guy who plays the Master, looks so
much like Roger Delgado. And thank god hedoes a good job!


"You would have seen the Missing Years (after the Ice Warriors) &
some rare footage from Galaxy Four. Those Chumbleys are about as
Cute as they can be, even the sounds they make are cute! "

Jeez, maybe i should play the tape longer! I have only stopped it after
the last episode!


"Looks like someone has to do some basic science, Tomb of the
Cybermen maybe questionable too, yet the Doctor still managed to
open those doors! ;-)"

The more I look at some stories, you are right. Lots of parlour
science going on.


"Unfortunately, I more of the Non-Fiction book reader! :-( "

I mostly read non fiction as well, but one thing I like about the
Dr. Wo books, is they can often go way more in depth with stuff.
You find out lots of things!


"They used to do that to us & start us at Robot. Funny thing is that
I've never seen it! ;-)"

Sound like me and the Simpsons episode with Flander's "Leftorium"
Simpsons play here on many stattions, and I still have not seen it.
Damn it, I am left handed too


"Which Cybermen stories was this? Unfortunately, I don't recall!"

I will look them up, and find out which ones use 'borg' like quotes.


"The best episode I would have to say with Ian in was the Space
Museum where he's got that Ray gun & escorts that Alien into
the preparation room where the Doctor is frozen stiff (chilling
stuff! "

I have only seen that story once, and remember little


"Zoe had her turn in the Mind Robber, I kinda found it a bit
weird! ;-) Vic was a better screamer! ;-) "

I have 'Cybermen the early years' and the actor who plays Zoe mentioned
that she ended up doing her bit of screaming, which she was not thrilled
about

"I tried to get into the Doctor Who fan club in my local
city, but they weren't interested in me for some reason.
Perhaps it was because I was expecting a 'FREE"
registeration which came with updates & Catalogues! ;-)"

Crazy people! You should have taken out your sonic screwdriver
and let yourself in, or sic K-9 on them

Chris

 

[CP/M User]

Just got Forbidden Planet on DVD today. My jaw almost hit the ground $11.98 I paid for it - sure it's been out on DVD for quite a while (made in 2002 I noticed on the box). But considerning I was going to pay $28.00 for it at one other point, I couldn't believe how cheap they were throwing it out for.

Haven't some DVDs hit a rock bottom price, perhaps it's old stock from shops which are simply trying to clear the shelves for new stuff, but I always think these DVD based places which stock up end up with too much of the same stuff and so few for what we want.
I mean I busted my butt tring to get "The Time Machine" with Rod Taylor when they brought it out with the latest one - the originals a classic though - can't go past that! ;-)

"The Italian Job" wasn't as bad - cause the place which sold it knew the original was a gem! Fancy that though I thought Michael Caine could drive back then!! ;-)

CP/M User.