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Compaq Portable III 286 repair

simmiv

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I’ve had a Compaq Portable III pc in storage for quite some time. I finally decided to pull it out of storage and get It up and running. After setting it up on the bench, it was quite obvious that the coiled keyboard cable had to be replaced as the outer sheeting had gone hard and was falling off. Apart from that it looked to be in good nick.
I took the back off and removed the motherboard to get access to the power supply.
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A visual inspection and cleaning I decided it would be ok to plug it all together again and try to power it on. At power on, it tried to start, but shut down again. This can be seen on the red led on the motherboard i.e. it flickers on and then off.
This indicates that there is a short on the motherboard itself as the power supply detects an overload on one of the power rails and shuts down.
To diagnose, you just have to disconnect the power supply from the motherboard and use an ohm meter to measure between the power rail and ground.
In my case it was the -12v that measured 0.3 ohms. (I had also disconnected the floppy and hard drive power cables.) Next I measured the resistance across the taller tantalum capacitors i.e. the 16v 10uF ones. After measuring and if it was ok, I marked it with a black marker. This way, I found three shorted ones, which I marked with a red marker. I simply snipped all three out and replaced them with electrolyte caps I had handy.
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When I measured them, two of them were shorted.
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Now the -12v power rail was measuring high resistance. This method can be used to find shorted caps on other power lines as well, although the 5v one would have lots of them!
After putting it all together again, I powered it up and it booted normally. The screen complained about the configuration and wanted the diagnostic disk. I managed to find the image online and create a 720k floppy on another PC. (This Compaq has a 720k floppy drive and a 20MB HDD). Once I had the diagnostic floppy in the drive, it booted happily into the diagnostic setup. Once I had run through the setup and set the date/time, I re-booted and it now booted from the hard drive into DOS 3.12 and a preconfigured menu with Displaywrite 4, and Quattro Pro Spreadsheet options with a company logo. So it seemed to be fine.
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Next I booted into the diagnostic disk and ran the test routines. They cleared everything as fine, except the keyboard. It has some lethargic keys that simply had to be hard pressed to do anything.
As I had to take the keyboard apart anyway to replace the coiled cable, I disconnected it and began to take it apart. First you have to pull off all the key caps to get access to the screws that are hidden under them. Be careful with space bar as it is the only keycap with a spring! Then you take all the screws. Once done, carefully turn it over and take the bottom off. I didn’t do that! I took the top off and through that all the key stems fell apart and got disorganized!
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I cleaned all the keycaps, the keyboard motherboard and the keyboard rubber. I of course also replaced the coiled cable with a second hand one I had on hand. When I was assembling it, I discovered to my horror that I had three of the key stems missing! After crawling on the floor, I managed to find two, but I couldn’t find the last one!
The key stem isn’t a simple plastic, it’s a complex piece.
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Despite that I measured it up and re-created it in 3D by using Tinkercad. After some experimentation I printed it on my cheap 3D printer. It was a bit rough, but with some minor filing and finishing it worked fine! I’m sure you can spot my printed key stem!
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I then proceeded to re-assemble the keyboard and put in all the key stems first. It all came together and finally the keyboard worked fine! Here is the keyboard with the old and replacement coil cable..
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Then another re-boot and loading up a game to try it out!!
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It does have one vertical line that seems to be on all the time. When attaching a CGA monitor it is fine.
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I now need to replace the battery on the motherboard and then see if I can do anything with that vertical line..
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but is that furthest-right capacitor in your 2nd pic (C110?) installed backwards? Looks like the stripe is going to the (+) side of the silk screen on the motherboard...just an (hopefully incorrect) observation....
 
It cold be! I've put it together for now as I'm waiting on a replacement battery.. I'll check it when I take it apart again! Nicely spotted!!
 
It does have one vertical line that seems to be on all the time. When attaching a CGA monitor it is fine.

I also have a Compaq PIII with the same vertical line issue. Single line near the center of the screen. Please do post any info you find about how to address that.

And P.S., excellent work on the restoration!
 
Time to update on progress!

Time to update on progress!

I finally got a battery to replace the battery on the motherboard. I got a 1.6AH 3.6V Lithium battery I was planning to mount on the motherboard, but it was too high and would have interfered with the shield. So, I decided to put a connector on the motherboard and mount the battery in the opening below it. I also fixed the reversed electrolyte spotted by T.R.A from my first photos! I think they look a bit better now! I have looked at the screen and based on others attempts, it's probably not worth touching if it only has a few lines on it. If it's pretty bad i.e. multiple lines it might be worth trying out, but you have to be super careful with static and not touching the plastic edges with your bare hands. I'll leave it as is for now.
20191023_113453 (2).jpg The capacitors are looking better now.
20191023_145117 (2).jpg The battery connector and new battery ready to be installed.
20191023_175548 (2).jpg This is where I mounted the battery.
20191023_163738 (2).jpg Here I'm testing the power supply to check if it's ok under minimal load..

It went together again and seems to work fine.
 
I’ve had a Compaq Portable III pc in storage for quite some time. I finally decided to pull it out of storage and get It up and running. After setting it up on the bench, it was quite obvious that the coiled keyboard cable had to be replaced as the outer sheeting had gone hard and was falling off. Apart from that it looked to be in good nick.
I took the back off and removed the motherboard to get access to the power supply.
View attachment 1064834

A visual inspection and cleaning I decided it would be ok to plug it all together again and try to power it on. At power on, it tried to start, but shut down again. This can be seen on the red led on the motherboard i.e. it flickers on and then off.
This indicates that there is a short on the motherboard itself as the power supply detects an overload on one of the power rails and shuts down.
To diagnose, you just have to disconnect the power supply from the motherboard and use an ohm meter to measure between the power rail and ground.
In my case it was the -12v that measured 0.3 ohms. (I had also disconnected the floppy and hard drive power cables.) Next I measured the resistance across the taller tantalum capacitors i.e. the 16v 10uF ones. After measuring and if it was ok, I marked it with a black marker. This way, I found three shorted ones, which I marked with a red marker. I simply snipped all three out and replaced them with electrolyte caps I had handy.
View attachment 1064835

When I measured them, two of them were shorted.
View attachment 1064836
Now the -12v power rail was measuring high resistance. This method can be used to find shorted caps on other power lines as well, although the 5v one would have lots of them!
After putting it all together again, I powered it up and it booted normally. The screen complained about the configuration and wanted the diagnostic disk. I managed to find the image online and create a 720k floppy on another PC. (This Compaq has a 720k floppy drive and a 20MB HDD). Once I had the diagnostic floppy in the drive, it booted happily into the diagnostic setup. Once I had run through the setup and set the date/time, I re-booted and it now booted from the hard drive into DOS 3.12 and a preconfigured menu with Displaywrite 4, and Quattro Pro Spreadsheet options with a company logo. So it seemed to be fine.
View attachment 1064837

Next I booted into the diagnostic disk and ran the test routines. They cleared everything as fine, except the keyboard. It has some lethargic keys that simply had to be hard pressed to do anything.
As I had to take the keyboard apart anyway to replace the coiled cable, I disconnected it and began to take it apart. First you have to pull off all the key caps to get access to the screws that are hidden under them. Be careful with space bar as it is the only keycap with a spring! Then you take all the screws. Once done, carefully turn it over and take the bottom off. I didn’t do that! I took the top off and through that all the key stems fell apart and got disorganized!
View attachment 1064838

I cleaned all the keycaps, the keyboard motherboard and the keyboard rubber. I of course also replaced the coiled cable with a second hand one I had on hand. When I was assembling it, I discovered to my horror that I had three of the key stems missing! After crawling on the floor, I managed to find two, but I couldn’t find the last one!
The key stem isn’t a simple plastic, it’s a complex piece.
View attachment 1064841

Despite that I measured it up and re-created it in 3D by using Tinkercad. After some experimentation I printed it on my cheap 3D printer. It was a bit rough, but with some minor filing and finishing it worked fine! I’m sure you can spot my printed key stem!
View attachment 1064840

I then proceeded to re-assemble the keyboard and put in all the key stems first. It all came together and finally the keyboard worked fine! Here is the keyboard with the old and replacement coil cable..
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Then another re-boot and loading up a game to try it out!!
View attachment 1064842

It does have one vertical line that seems to be on all the time. When attaching a CGA monitor it is fine.
View attachment 1064843

I now need to replace the battery on the motherboard and then see if I can do anything with that vertical line..
Great work on the keyboard. I had the same problem that you did with the keystems. Any chance you have the .stl file for them? I've got a Compaq Portable III I just replaced the cabling on and managed to lose some of the key stems
 
Great work on the keyboard. I had the same problem that you did with the keystems. Any chance you have the .stl file for them? I've got a Compaq Portable III I just replaced the cabling on and managed to lose some of the key stems
Time to update on progress!

Time to update on progress!

I finally got a battery to replace the battery on the motherboard. I got a 1.6AH 3.6V Lithium battery I was planning to mount on the motherboard, but it was too high and would have interfered with the shield. So, I decided to put a connector on the motherboard and mount the battery in the opening below it. I also fixed the reversed electrolyte spotted by T.R.A from my first photos! I think they look a bit better now! I have looked at the screen and based on others attempts, it's probably not worth touching if it only has a few lines on it. If it's pretty bad i.e. multiple lines it might be worth trying out, but you have to be super careful with static and not touching the plastic edges with your bare hands. I'll leave it as is for now.
View attachment 1032330 The capacitors are looking better now.
View attachment 1032331 The battery connector and new battery ready to be installed.
View attachment 1032332 This is where I mounted the battery.
View attachment 1032333 Here I'm testing the power supply to check if it's ok under minimal load..

It went together again and seems to work fine.
Hi Simmiv
Time to update on progress!

Time to update on progress!

I finally got a battery to replace the battery on the motherboard. I got a 1.6AH 3.6V Lithium battery I was planning to mount on the motherboard, but it was too high and would have interfered with the shield. So, I decided to put a connector on the motherboard and mount the battery in the opening below it. I also fixed the reversed electrolyte spotted by T.R.A from my first photos! I think they look a bit better now! I have looked at the screen and based on others attempts, it's probably not worth touching if it only has a few lines on it. If it's pretty bad i.e. multiple lines it might be worth trying out, but you have to be super careful with static and not touching the plastic edges with your bare hands. I'll leave it as is for now.
View attachment 1032330 The capacitors are looking better now.
View attachment 1032331 The battery connector and new battery ready to be installed.
View attachment 1032332 This is where I mounted the battery.
View attachment 1032333 Here I'm testing the power supply to check if it's ok under minimal load..

It went together again and seems to work fine.
Hi Simmiv, I have a Compaq Portable 386/20. Is the CMOS battery recharged by the computer? I think it is, if so can you tell which type of and specific battery you used please. Thanks
 
@simmiv : Great job on repairing your Compaq! Where did you get a replacement keyboard cable? Mine starts to disintegrate, and I'd need to replace it at some point.
Also, FYI, I designed a replacement module for Compaq III battery. It has the advantage of using replaceable CR2477 battery.

@Ancien: No, the CMOS battery in Compaq III is a non-rechargeable Lithium metal battery. You can use another 3V non-rechargeable lithium battery instead.

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Hi Simmiv, I have a Compaq Portable 386/20. Is the CMOS battery recharged by the computer? I think it is, if so can you tell which type of and specific battery you used please. Thanks
Simmiv was writing about a Compaq Portable III, which per [here], has two possible CMOS battery configurations of which both are on the motherboard.
You have a Compaq Portable 386, which is a different computer.

About half way through the thread at [here] is the "The mobo has to be removed and the battery is on the underside of the metal mobo carrier plate". Photos included. I see some confusion in that thread between the Compaq Portable III and the Compaq Portable 386.

There is a procedure in the 'Compaq Portable 386 - Maintenance and Service Guide' on how to change the battery. And that procedure contains, "lithium battery", and so the battery is non-chargeable.

There is a thread at [here] showing replacement options that some people used.
 
@simmiv : Great job on repairing your Compaq! Where did you get a replacement keyboard cable? Mine starts to disintegrate, and I'd need to replace it at some point.
Also, FYI, I designed a replacement module for Compaq III battery. It has the advantage of using replaceable CR2477 battery.

@Ancien: No, the CMOS battery in Compaq III is a non-rechargeable Lithium metal battery. You can use another 3V non-rechargeable lithium battery instead.

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electronicsurplus.com

I have three Compaq Portable IIIs and I got there cables from them for $9 each, good length and nice and rubberized




item # 3175Unidentified MFG - 2605EMC3S - Cable, Spiral Curly Coiled Electrical Cord. 26 AWG, 5 Conductor.
 
@simmiv : Great job on repairing your Compaq! Where did you get a replacement keyboard cable? Mine starts to disintegrate, and I'd need to replace it at some point.
Also, FYI, I designed a replacement module for Compaq III battery. It has the advantage of using replaceable CR2477 battery.

@Ancien: No, the CMOS battery in Compaq III is a non-rechargeable Lithium metal battery. You can use another 3V non-rechargeable lithium battery instead.

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Sorry for the late reply, I have been quite busy. Do you know how many months one of these batteries lasts before going flat?
 
electronicsurplus.com

I have three Compaq Portable IIIs and I got there cables from them for $9 each, good length and nice and rubberized




item # 3175Unidentified MFG - 2605EMC3S - Cable, Spiral Curly Coiled Electrical Cord. 26 AWG, 5 Conductor.
I'm in the UK so will look around for what is available here - if anything that is. Do you know how many cores the Portable 3 keyboard cables are?
 
Sorry for the late reply, I have been quite busy. Do you know how many months one of these batteries lasts before going flat?
They last years ;)
How much would depend on how much time the computer is turned on, in which case the RTC will be powered by the power supply and won't be not consuming battery.
MC146818 RTC consumes about 50 uA, the original battery is 2 Ah, so discharge time will be around 2/0.00005 = 40000 hours or 1667 days or 4.5 years.
 
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