VERAULT
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Oh no.. Not referring to you exactly. Im making broad generalizations... because logically in the end.. that still makes the most sense....So quick to judge if you are referring to me. lol
Oh no.. Not referring to you exactly. Im making broad generalizations... because logically in the end.. that still makes the most sense....So quick to judge if you are referring to me. lol
Oh no.. Not referring to you exactly. Im making broad generalizations... because logically in the end.. that still makes the most sense....
I dont think that you can use that blanket statement to explain computer purchasing at the time. My buddy was the first to buy a brand new 386 from the gateway 2000 catalog when I was still rocking my IBM 5160 and would continue to until I bought a 486DX4 PC Clone,.The 386 to 486 transition isn't really comparable to the Pentium 4 to Core 2 transition. Back in the 80s and early 90s, computers were orders of magnitude more expensive, people bought a 386 because they simply couldn't afford a 486. In the late Pentium 4 and early Core 2 era, that was not even remotely the case. Newer Core 2 chips were being sold for the same or lower than the Pentium 4 that came before them.
Stroh's ice cream is still around.A lot of stuff falls under that heading. Stroh's beer, for example.
It doesn't exist, its a hypothetical. but if you think about it, if it had a nice case, nice video card, nice sound card, nice amount of memory, fast P4. The parts would almost be worth $200, IE the P4 MB would practically be free. So you have people here split, some have and like them a lot, and others who think they are worthless and trash. The Hypothetical was presented to see how the value or lack of value conversation played out. Looks like worthless is winning. Looking at SOLD on ebay shows prices of anywhere from $19 to $300, the majority on the lower end.
At $dayjob the first P4 here, a Dell Dimension 8100, came with Win98SE installed from Dell (it was ordered that way; Windows ME was, well, ME, and while NT 4 and Windows 2000 were both options, Windows XP hadn't yet been released). You can still download drivers for Windows 98 for that box. It was a 1.4GHz Socket 423 with Rambus RDRAM. The system is still here somewheres.And whats all this nonsense about win98 on a P4.. no p4s came with windows 98 .. am i missing something in this group delusion?
I worked for Dell at the time. I remember those RDRAM machines. They may have had drivers on the website but those machines shipped with Windows 2000. I have never seen a single one ship out with windows 98. Possibly millennium but I have no recollection on ME and those machines.At $dayjob the first P4 here, a Dell Dimension 8100, came with Win98SE installed from Dell. You can still download drivers for Windows 98 for that box. It was a 1.4GHz Socket 423 with Rambus RDRAM. The system is still here somewheres.
I do remember now vaguely about the discussions on heat, probably why I avoided them back in that time.What Verault said up in #47 is spot on. If you are a collector and want to build or need a P4, sure why not? But, if you plan to do some gaming or run some apps just this side a being a daily driver, then you will soon discover what every P4 owner knows; it's fairly fast for its time, it's hot, very hot, and like it or not, the dual core is way better for that time period.
Like I said, this machine was specifically ordered with Windows 98SE. It was eventually upgraded to XP, shortly before being decommissioned.I worked for Dell at the time. I remember those RDRAM machines. They may have had drivers on the website but those machines shipped with Windows 2000. I have never seen a single one ship out with windows 98. Possibly millennium but I have no recollection on ME and those machines.
That's quite interesting - up here in the US of A you can pretty easily pick up a P4 423 kit for $30-40 USD. Mayhaps we need to go into business?It's very interesting how P4 is highly disregard by a lot of people, and I agree with every argument about it. But, here in Brasil a P4 has more collecting value than a P1 or P2, outrageous right? I could sell a P4 423 RDRAM kit for $ 250 USD and people will go nuts about it. Just a MB, CPU and RAM, nothing else. Maybe those ebay sells are international. What is very hot around here is a dual boot W98 and XP P4 machine. I found this terrible, but the people loves it. It was for a lot of people, their first computer. I never owned a P4 back then, always preferred the AMD solutions for the time.
I dont think that you can use that blanket statement to explain computer purchasing at the time. My buddy was the first to buy a brand new 386 from the gateway 2000 catalog when I was still rocking my IBM 5160 and would continue to until I bought a 486DX4 PC Clone,.
I dont think people with 386's were buying 486's as some natural progression. People kept machines much longer back then. I know people using 386's into the late 90s. And I met plenty of middle aged people around 2000 who still never owned a computer.
Same here; had an Athlon 64 3700+ in Socket 754 and later a 4000+ in 939. A Socket 940 FX or Opteron would have been cool at the time; have access to some server-grade stuff now with Opterons, mostly IBM BladeCenter LS20 blades and a couple of Dell PowerEdge 6950s (Quad dual-core Opterons).I went through my AMD-phase during the P4 era.