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There is one almost 100% sign a coffee at a place might be not garbage: they only have one size of cappuccino.
It’s a minimum requirement for me to consider ordering coffee there.
I always get cappuccino first at a new place, if it’s not bitter but full and almost sweet without any sugar, it’s a good cappuccino, that means one can try other brews at the establishment.

Americans like to burn coffee to charcoal and call it “French roast”. Probably catering to prevailing “why don’t I have a heart attack right now, and the liquid is slightly translucent, must have skimped on the beans” folks. But it is possible to get decent coffee here, just not at the chains, they all either bad or San Francisco expensive.
 
I drink tea. I tried to like coffee, made multiple attempts each decade - but every time I drank it, I got a horrible aftertaste that lasted 3 days (every time - 3 days before I could get rid of that damn aftertaste). Also, a couple times I felt a "caffeine rage" (similar to the zombie rage in "28 Days Later" ...but with less blood), which I never experienced with tea.

I don't see them as competition, tea is 99% water. Although they're not that fun together, tea can be used as a water replacement (if low of no tannin). Coffee is coffee. I drink two to three cups of espresso every day and a few liters of tea.

When I was young my father used to drink Turkish coffee made in those little copper pots and you get that industrial waste looking sludge in the bottom of the cup.

Turkish coffee is the norm here for home. A block of coffee is cheap and can last forever, all you need is that copper pot.
We also have a word for that coffee sediment. Btw, it's good for plants, just throw it on their soil. It acts as a fertilizer and pest repellent among other things.

Starbucks has some excellent coffee and it is outrageously priced....

They're a corporation that can do anything. They do have import and access to great beans, but the vast majority of Starbucks sales aren't good coffee.

I heard they take over neighborhoods by opening multiple Starbucks locations near eachother, buying out or pushing out of business regular small coffee shops. When they're done, they close most of them and leave one or two working.
 
I've never been in a Starbucks in my life.

I drink tea. I tried to like coffee, made multiple attempts each decade - but every time I drank it, I got a horrible aftertaste that lasted 3 days (every time - 3 days before I could get rid of that damn aftertaste). Also, a couple times I felt a "caffeine rage" (similar to the zombie rage in "28 Days Later" ...but with less blood), which I never experienced with tea.
Pretty sure black tea has more caffeine than coffee.. I dont drink it anymore as its too hard on my stomach.

I never liked coffee. If I needed caffein in the morning to wake up I drank a Mountain Dew.
Soda in the morning?!? Gross.. Again,., the sugar.

Funny thing. I liked mountain dew as a kid. I cant stand the stuff now. I pretty much hate sweet things as here in America its just 10X as sweet as it needs to be. Ever been to a European bakery? Everything tastes phenomenal.. they have flavors... not just tons of sugar.

Here everything is loaded with sugar.. than sugar glazed, than large pretzel salt, sugar cyrstals covering the top. I water down my juices and iced teas.. I just like the slight taste... not the sugar.. Its nasy.
 
I tried to water down "100% orange juice" from a major brand, half a liter into 2L of water, it's thrice lower in sugar content than soft drinks.
I still gathered excess calories in the matter of one week.
 
I tried to water down "100% orange juice" from a major brand, half a liter into 2L of water, it's thrice lower in sugar content than soft drinks.
I still gathered excess calories in the matter of one week.
Well your not supposed to drink three times as much now!!!

I typically do about 20% to 25% of say iced tea or juice to the remaining water or carbonated water. IT works for me. I dont water down real Citrus juices as I might only have 1 glass a day if that.

Another gripe. I have always liked v8 vegetable drink. But even with the lower sodium version its still like 8 times the salt in take I would like to do for one can! This countries obsession about hiding cheap food behind salt is worse than causing obesity, its causing heart damage. I dont even add salt to food when I cook. American food in general has a poison level of sodium in it.
 
If you ever shop at a chain like Aldis consider half the weight of your shopping cart pure sodium. I wish legislation would be on the side of the people, not the corporation. forget the sugar problem. The sodium content of foods sold needs to be addressed and moderated to safe levels.
 
[...] forget the sugar problem. The sodium content of foods sold needs to be addressed and moderated to safe levels.
I'd say the opposite. Forget the salt. The added sugar/HFCS/"sweeteners" need to be moderated to safe levels. Even worse are the preservatives, "flavour enhancers", super-processed toxic oils, glyphosate and genetically modified pseudo-food products of unknown origin.

I cook all my own meals too. I can't be sure my ingredients aren't also poisoned, but at least I'm giving it a try. I make sure to get lots of salt and natural fats though.

I haven't been to a restaurant for over a decade.
 
Processed foods will kill us all.

Look at orange juice. The reason we can have orange juice all year is because the stuff is harvested and squeezed, pulp is separated (all the nutrients are in the pulp), oxygen is removed for storage (that removes all the flavor). So, we have tasteless non nutritional juice that needs fake flavor added to it before we can drink it.

People spend most of their calories processing raw foods, not working out. Eating a raw banana removed as many calories digesting the fruit as you gain from eating the fruit. Putting that banana into a blender and then drinking it just made it fattening. We are not getting fatter as a society because of HFCS, we are getting fatter because all the food we eat is processed to death and we don't burn calories eating it. All the generations before us ate pure sugar and didn't get fat.
 
i love the pulp. ad much as they can add. i think people thst like it pjlp free are wird..then ai chunky peanut butter is weird.

I'd say the opposite. Forget the salt. The added sugar/HFCS/"sweeteners" need to be moderated to safe levels. Even worse are the preservatives, "flavour enhancers", super-processed toxic oils, glyphosate and genetically modified pseudo-food products of unknown origin.

I cook all my own meals too. I can't be sure my ingredients aren't also poisoned, but at least I'm giving it a try. I make sure to get lots of salt and natural fats though.

I haven't been to a restaurant for over a decade.
how about both then... can we agree on that? Both need to get addressed immediately
 
how about both then... can we agree on that? Both need to get addressed immediately

No. Salt is good. I have no problem with salt. I'm pretty sure this "low sodium mania" was just a distraction - so that people wouldn't focus on all the poisons being added to the food supply. Same with "low fat". (Where are the labels for "no glyphosate" or "not sourced from a Chinese chemical factory"? And when the hell do we get "genetically modified" labels?)

I remember when the "low sodium mania" started, probably 30 years ago now - my favourite crackers suddenly had no salt on them. What the hell? I had to add salt myself. But then they started using canola oil and I had to stop buying them anyway.
 
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