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Paradise PVC2 questions on Olivetti M19

I have same probleme with the original monitor.
Sorry, bit off topic: what type of monitor is that? Does it indeed sync properly and is the image stable without flicker (on a proper working M19)? I thought there was no replacement for the M19 screen because of the low sync and the slow phosphor? And the power supply, but that's solvable.
 
DSM 1912 (the M19 screen) is a standard MDA/monochrome monitor, but with long persistence phosphor coating.
The coating 'mitigates' extra flickering that happens due to 10% slower refresh rate of M19's video port.

A standard MDA monitor should have no problems syncing to M19's video port, like one Ghislain has. But it might flicker more than M19 screen while in graphics modes, if it doesn't have persistent phosphor.
If it has issues syncing to 45Hz vertical, there are pots inside that should enable that.

And finally this checks out certain publications that noted "Industry standard monitor" as a compatible monochrome replacement screen. So, any MDA/Herc screen will should do.

Plus Ghislain has found the Molex 9 pin connector on Ali - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005203315101.html - clamp this on ATX connector and connect to picoPSU - external power.
 
DSM 1912 (the M19 screen) is a standard MDA/monochrome monitor, but with long persistence phosphor coating.
The coating 'mitigates' extra flickering that happens due to 10% slower refresh rate of M19's video port.

A standard MDA monitor should have no problems syncing to M19's video port, like one Ghislain has. But it might flicker more than M19 screen while in graphics modes, if it doesn't have persistent phosphor.
If it has issues syncing to 45Hz vertical, there are pots inside that should enable that.

And finally this checks out certain publications that noted "Industry standard monitor" as a compatible monochrome replacement screen. So, any MDA/Herc screen will should do.

Plus Ghislain has found the Molex 9 pin connector on Ali - https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005005203315101.html - clamp this on ATX connector and connect to picoPSU - external power.
Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge! Yes, I have seen the Molex post and indeed I learned from you that a picoPSU would do the trick.

I will keep an eye open for an MDA / Hercules CRT. I do think the M19 is better looking though ;-)
 
I have another PC with an MDA card and when I cross-test it, it's definitely a problem with the M19 motherboard. I've started a schematic of the graphics part, on easy EDA. If anyone wants to contribute on the graphics part or any other part, I can share.
 
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^ unpopulated speaker out. On the other side JSOUND solder point for a standard three pin stereo connector. If added, you'd get pc buzzer sound on stereo speakers (independent of the volume knob).

Maybe this is tied to Olivetti/Acorn SCART stuff, so PC sound gets pushed into TV?

In any case it's not wise to drive anything bar PC buzzer with buzzer signal directly, the programming will imply physical characteristics of the buzzer and just won't sound good on bigger speakers.

I always wondered about getting this connector into function so the backside looks 'complete' but its function is rather useless. Better left unpopulated for some other type of routing - lightpen perhaps.
 
Thanks as always for sharing your knowledge! Yes, I have seen the Molex post and indeed I learned from you that a picoPSU would do the trick.

I will keep an eye open for an MDA / Hercules CRT. I do think the M19 is better looking though ;-)
Come to think of it: anyone tried this? Is a standard CRT workable in monochrome? Given that Olivetti used the long glowing phosphor I guess not?
 
Come to think of it: anyone tried this? Is a standard CRT workable in monochrome? Given that Olivetti used the long glowing phosphor I guess not?

If for you regular MDA is 'workable', 5 Hz less MDA should be too.
Persistent phospor is not a silver bullet. It makes looking at static image a bit less eye-straining, but if the image moves you have smearing until the pixels decay.
 
If for you regular MDA is 'workable', 5 Hz less MDA should be too.
Persistent phospor is not a silver bullet. It makes looking at static image a bit less eye-straining, but if the image moves you have smearing until the pixels decay.
MDA is more difficult to find than an old color monitor. I am assuming that this will look similar, but white on black rather than green or amber. So I am contemplating a small color CRT, but I want to avoid building a large collection of failed hardware attempts ;-)

In monochrome / text mode I don't have moving objects, that's only an issue in CGA mode in my case. And even then I prefer the Sierra adventures with text input etc. that have very little moving stuff.
 
Unfortunately I don't have any other MDA screens to compare. But it should be ok.

Btw when you say old color monitor I guess you mean VGA, MDA/Herc monitors should be cheaper and easier to acquire than CGA screens.
 
Unfortunately I don't have any other MDA screens to compare. But it should be ok.

Btw when you say old color monitor I guess you mean VGA, MDA/Herc monitors should be cheaper and easier to acquire than CGA screens.
Yes, 14 inch VGA is on offer now and again, monochrome is rare and often really show their age.
 
Ebay is insane, I get one seller, he has two herc screens selling them ~ 500 eur each.

One local seller I have in country has a herc screen in good condition for 100 eur. But he won't ship screens at all. 14 inch Olivetti VGA screen I got from him I had to have someone pick up in his city and then bring it to me.

You're more likely to score an old monitor together with some broken computer or such.
 
Yes, we have the same phenomenon everywhere, people speculate on retro equipment. and on ebay, americans sell machines at exorbitant prices, you have to add taxes and shipping costs. In France, companies have to pay to have electronic waste destroyed, you just have to find the companies that throw it away, and go to them to collect the equipment.

Are there any local ad sites in your area? We've got LBC https://www.leboncoin.fr , and every now and then we manage to find some gems that aren't too expensive.
 
Ebay is insane, I get one seller, he has two herc screens selling them ~ 500 eur each.

One local seller I have in country has a herc screen in good condition for 100 eur. But he won't ship screens at all. 14 inch Olivetti VGA screen I got from him I had to have someone pick up in his city and then bring it to me.

You're more likely to score an old monitor together with some broken computer or such.
Yeah, people trying to make money. Even old PCs go for silly sums.
 
There are many cheap panel driver boards available on AliExpress for instance. Here is s better documented version at RS.

It's all digitally managed. Vertical frequencies do not match the low 45-ish Hz of the M19.

Would it be possible to reconfig these boards to support lower frequencies? I guess you'd have to change the code in one of the ICs / Eproms?
 
Yet the preferred option is the upgrade of the MCE2HDMI device to support monochrome. @Zare How are you getting along with your analyzer?

I've not had any progress since the last session - not due to a showstopper, just lack of time.

Have to rethink everything and then program a 'test suite' for M19 for test display. I think the approach of generating static image and then measuring is too slow - the program should be able to generate various 'images' where colours are dispersed in such a way that a single measurement session can give out all correct data. Right now I use a test image, and then when I analyze the results, I figure that another, different test image would give additional data in the right direction.

For example, executing the program with colour sequence input, like prg.exe 10 15 1 12 7 ... to present colours in arbitrary order, and not shuffle them full screen, but each time key is pressed, additional color is added to the image. In this example the program would start with all screen in '10', then it would split screen horizontally for 10 and 15, then divide in 3 for adding colour '1', etc...Something like this, a bit more flexible.

Btw. are you certain you wouldn't like to use MCE2HDMI as is?
I believe you mentioned text mode adventures - if those run in 16 color text, that is meant for CGA.
The difference between CGA text mode and M19 mono text mode is 8x8 vs 8x16 character glyphs. But on a big panel, that doesn't make such a difference;

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The picture does not do it justice, it's much more vivid, and from a normal viewing distance for this TV size, the roughness of 8x8 font is not really noticeable.
Mentioned before - with this setup it's great to play 320x200 adventures, doesn't look rough at all.

If I argued against getting this upscaler before, I changed my opinion :)
And of course with the profile I posted pages ago, you can run mono mode in 4 out of 16 colours and 640x400 OGC mode in case you want to run Windows or GEM - or even Sierra adventures.

In the case of Sierra adventures this upscaler is great because both support Plantronics and OGC.

Give me an example of text adventure you run and I'll see how it goes in this setup, record a video...

Yeah, people trying to make money. Even old PCs go for silly sums.
We have Marktplaats, but its not much better than Ebay.

Yeah we have a local 'craigslist' too but it only has this single retro seller that has alot of items. But he's expensive, especially because he's knowledgeable. Like if some item is insanely expensive on ebay, he'll have it at 50/60 % of that value, which is still insanely expensive.
When my brother went to pick up a CRT for me he saw this guy has a shit ton of items, and hasn't put up even a fragment on sale. I think he picks up what to sell and when and knows very well how to formulate the price.

There are many cheap panel driver boards available on AliExpress for instance. Here is s better documented version at RS.

It's all digitally managed. Vertical frequencies do not match the low 45-ish Hz of the M19.

Would it be possible to reconfig these boards to support lower frequencies? I guess you'd have to change the code in one of the ICs / Eproms?

First full understanding of the mono signal is needed.
Then you'd need to convert it to analogue RGB that board wants.

But why do that - the signal is 3.3V - which means we can plug it to a Raspberry Pi directly.

Which is what I'll be doing next to the mono analysis stuff, plugging in the CGA mode to RPI directly and see how it goes.
 
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