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Which *NIX is best for you?

Which *NIX is best for you?

  • REDHAT or Fedora GNU/Linux

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Debian GNU/Linux

    Votes: 4 33.3%

  • Gentoo GNU/Linux

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Slackware GNU/Linux

    Votes: 1 8.3%

  • BSD (Free, Open or Net)

    Votes: 2 16.7%

  • Commercial UNIX

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • GNU/HURD

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • A.N.Other *NIX

    Votes: 3 25.0%
  • Total voters
    12
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TIML

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OK, what is your favorite and why?

BSD?
Which FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD?

GNU/Linux?
Which flavor?

GNU/HURD (GNU's not UNIX)

or A.N.Other?

And why??


.T.I.M
 
I thought the kernel is developed separately and then incorporated in all the distributions (where Debian is one of those, maintained by FSF and their GNU Project). I don't think Red Hat, SuSe and the others want or can call themselves GNU/Linux, so the alternatives may be misformed.

Personally, I've been grown up on SunOS and Solaris in its various shapes, but have lately moved to Debian as most of the recent free software development seems to require GNU tools and environment found in a complete Linux distro. I've also played some with AIX and NetBSD.

It is a little unfortunate that the polls don't allow more options. I think the various commercial UNIXes like Solaris, AIX, HP-UX, Tru64, SCO etc differ more between eachother than the four mentioned Linux distributions does.
 
Re: Which *NIX is best for you?

"TIML" wrote:

> OK, what is your favorite and why?

> BSD?
> Which FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD?

I've seen FreeBSD which I thought had
a cute little creature on it with one of
those spike things! I've noticed it ran
on 386, 486 based systems, but I'm
not sure if it's the one to have! ;-)

> GNU/Linux?
> Which flavor?

> GNU/HURD (GNU's not UNIX)

> or A.N.Other?
> And why??

I'll probably fall into this catagory with
Minix? It's perhaps the most serious of
'nix's I've looked at, probably because
it's small & runs on XTs, 386s, whatever!

But I'm not even sure how true this OS
is to the likes of Linux or Unix!

Most of the websites I've seen related
to this OS, seem to be in area of very
serious software, so as a programmer
I'd probably have a bit of fun porting
some fun based stuff. I must admit
though that Minix is educational in that
most of the developers are at School or
college, so developing some fun stuff
might be asking for trouble! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
I've been using Fedora Core lately, and it's quite good ^^

I had to use it to write a protocol for one of my assignments.

As much as I would love to use Linux, I really missed Windows XP though :lol:
 
carlsson said:
I thought the kernel is developed separately and then incorporated in all the distributions (where Debian is one of those, maintained by FSF and their GNU Project). I don't think Red Hat, SuSe and the others want or can call themselves GNU/Linux, so the alternatives may be misformed.
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Yeah, that's what I meant (I think?)...

--T
 
dongfeng said:
As much as I would love to use Linux, I really missed Windows XP though :lol:
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As much as I'd love to abandon Micro$oft to thier own devices, I'm still stuck with Windose coz Linux just doesn't support all of my hardware. Most of my favorite toys are rendered usless when I run linux. (My scanner, video capture card, dvd player, cd burner, nic, sound card, etc. (all the fun stuff) don't always work under linux. I know, that's what I get for buying cheap no-name junk, but that's pretty much what I cn afford to buy).

--T
 
"Terry Yager" wrote:

> As much as I'd love to abandon Micro$oft to
> thier own devices, I'm still stuck with
> Windose coz Linux just doesn't support all
> of my hardware. Most of my favorite toys
> are rendered usless when I run linux. (My
> scanner, video capture card, dvd player,
> cd burner, nic, sound card, etc. (all the
> fun stuff) don't always work under linux. I
> know, that's what I get for buying cheap
> no-name junk, but that's pretty much
> what I cn afford to buy).

Which is kinda like the CP/M-86 Vs. MSDOS
back in the good ol' 1983. MSDOS won out
due to the price competiveness.

Cause, if you're really desperate, you could
sell all of that stuff & buy it all over again,
just making sure that Linux Supports it! :)

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
CP/M User said:
Which is kinda like the CP/M-86 Vs. MSDOS
back in the good ol' 1983. MSDOS won out
due to the price competiveness.
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That was a deliberate action on the part of IBM, selling CP/M-86 for a lot more than DOS, because they owned a piece of DOS and made money off of every copy sold. They got squat for selling CP/M, so they tried to sabotage it. (Or so the rumor (legend?) goes).
Cause, if you're really desperate, you could
sell all of that stuff & buy it all over again,
just making sure that Linux Supports it! :)

Cheers,
CP/M User.
Click to expand...

Heh, yeah...that seems to be the recomended solution, but not as simple as it seems. I'd have to also jack up my computer and drive a new one under it, as several of the above mentioned devices are built-in (laptop).

--T
 
"Terry Yager" wrote:

> That was a deliberate action on the part of
> IBM, selling CP/M-86 for a lot more than
> DOS, because they owned a piece of DOS
> and made money off of every copy sold.
> They got squat for selling CP/M, so they
> tried to sabotage it. (Or so the rumor
> (legend?) goes).

Yes, however...

> Heh, yeah...that seems to be the
> recomended solution, but not as simple
> as it seems. I'd have to also jack up my
> computer and drive a new one under it,
> as several of the above mentioned
> devices are built-in (laptop).

...the manufacturer of that Laptop, only
uses Hardware which Windows will take
(not Linux), so they can do more deals
& make more money.

It's kinda like asking yourself, do I
support the local business because they
need it, or do I go to the best value store
because that's all I can afford (even
though the profits go overseas, because
of the cheap labour they can produce).

I thought you were condicting yourself
by saying that you got yourself a laptop
cause generally I find they cost more
money than a Desktop computer. But
something tells me, you haven't got the
space! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
Re: Which *NIX is best for you?

CP/M User said:
I'll probably fall into this catagory with Minix? It's perhaps the most serious of 'nix's I've looked at, probably because it's small & runs on XTs, 386s, whatever!
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There is also something called ELKS which is Embedded Linux Kernel Subset and supposedly will run on anything from 8088 and upwards. Not sure if it is more or less useful than Minix, but it will mount Minix file systems at least.
 
CP/M User said:
...the manufacturer of that Laptop, only
uses Hardware which Windows will take
(not Linux), so they can do more deals
& make more money.
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The manufacturer of that laptop is some little-known company out of Boca Raton, Florida, with initials for a name. And yes, it was designed with Win 9x in mind. Actually, there is support for most of the hardware, just not all together. I can find this kernel that supports the NIC, and that kernel that supports the sound card, etc. I could probably get everything to work if I knew how to roll-my-own kernel, which I don't. The drivers are out there somewhere.
It's kinda like asking yourself, do I
support the local business because they
need it, or do I go to the best value store
because that's all I can afford (even
though the profits go overseas, because
of the cheap labour they can produce).
Click to expand...
Actually, my peripherals are pretty much name-brand as well (Mustek, Lexmark, AST, etc).
I thought you were condicting yourself
by saying that you got yourself a laptop
cause generally I find they cost more
money than a Desktop computer. But
something tells me, you haven't got the
space! ;-)

Cheers,
CP/M User.
Click to expand...

It's not so much a matter of space as it is personal preference. I'm just spoiled on laptops. I could have got a desktop with twice the computing power for what I paid for my Thinkpad, but I wanted a laptop. (It's only a 266MHz, and I've had it for two years now. It's paid for itself already). I paid $400.00 for it then, but I recently purchased another just like it (eBay) for $100.00, so I guess it's depreciated somewhat in 2 years. About the same time, my son bought himself a complete desktop system for about $225.00. His machine is a 750MHz and came with a 17-inch monitor. Twice the power for half the price. That same $200 today could get you a brand new 1.7GHz machine complete with Lindows OS from Walmart. Go figger...

--T
 
"Terry Yager" wrote:

> ...I could probably get everything to work if
> I knew how to roll-my-own kernel, which I
> don't. The drivers are out there somewhere.

That's the thing with Linux, I once went to a
Linux Convention, thinking it was going to be
a lecture on this OS & once I got there, I
found out it was all just a help guide for
people getting their systems up & running with
this OS! :-(
It was slightly embarrassing for myself, cause
it certainally didn't turn out the way I read in
the paper & travelled some Ks to get there! :-(
This I thought was a turn-off from this OS,
cause they had little info for people like myself
& everyone was just there to get their Kernals
going! :-(
I left in disguist.

>> It's kinda like asking yourself, do I
>> support the local business because they
>> need it, or do I go to the best value store
>> because that's all I can afford (even
>> though the profits go overseas, because
>> of the cheap labour they can produce).

> Actually, my peripherals are pretty much
> name-brand as well (Mustek, Lexmark, AST,
> etc).

> It's not so much a matter of space as it is
> personal preference. I'm just spoiled on
> laptops. I could have got a desktop with
> twice the computing power for what I paid
> for my Thinkpad, but I wanted a laptop.
> (It's only a 266MHz, and I've had it for
> two years now. It's paid for itself already).
> I paid $400.00 for it then, but I recently
> purchased another just like it (eBay) for
> $100.00, so I guess it's depreciated
> somewhat in 2 years. About the same
> time, my son bought himself a complete
> desktop system for about $225.00. His
> machine is a 750MHz and came with a
> 17-inch monitor. Twice the power for
> half the price. That same $200 today
> could get you a brand new 1.7GHz
> machine complete with Lindows OS
> from Walmart. Go figger...

Computers don't retain their value, unless
you can think of a way to sell an Ol'
machine to a few pennies. The Jupiter Ace
is perhaps one of the few exceptions where
it could go for a bit on eBay (but Computer
Enthusiests need to know about it).

Cheers,
CP/M User.
 
CP/M User Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:17 pm

> Computers don't retain their value, unless you can think of a way to sell an Ol' machine to a few pennies.

I think they DO retain their value, just not necessarily their price!

That laptop earlier, is it made by a company thats gone all out for Linux now?

Linux early adopters: Try the new ones like Xandros, Lindows, or even Fedora Core (1or2), they now support SO much more hardware and are SO much easier to install (Debian and Gentoo not included in the easy bit).

I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised! And a good use for (moderately) old hardware!

.T.I.M

www.diggers.org for some fun!
 
TIML said:
CP/M User Posted: Sat Mar 20, 2004 1:17 pm

> Computers don't retain their value, unless you can think of a way to sell an Ol' machine to a few pennies.

I think they DO retain their value, just not necessarily their price!
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If ya hang onto 'em long enough even that comes back...and then some. I saw a $400.00 computer sell the other day for $1700.00, after about 30 years.
That laptop earlier, is it made by a company thats gone all out for Linux now?
Click to expand...
Yes, I believe yr thinking of the same company.
Linux early adopters: Try the new ones like Xandros, Lindows, or even Fedora Core (1or2), they now support SO much more hardware and are SO much easier to install (Debian and Gentoo not included in the easy bit).

I think you'll be very pleasantly surprised! And a good use for (moderately) old hardware!


.T.I.M
Click to expand...

I should know more about linux than I do, since I first started playing with it around 1994. I just never got very serious with it, that's all.
www.diggers.org for some fun!
Click to expand...

Yeah, I kicked up that diggers website a few weeks ago, while searching the web for Richard Brautigan references. There is even a beatnik page somewhere, I'll see if I cn find the link fr ya.

--T
 
Did people start using 'nik' with 'beat', after Sputnik was launched?

I was just looking at the link you posted Terry, and I see no reference to 'beatnik' just the 'beat movement' etc..

But the timing of the two are in the fifties, so does not seem to be a coincidence to me.

I was just curious if 'beatnik' would have ever been used if Sputnik had never launched.

Chris
 
Beatnix!

Beatnix!

That Beat Generation site is very very cool. I think I found it las year when I was researching Kerouac and others. (You MUST read 'On The Road')

Herb Caen, the scribe of the City, (of San Francisco), coined the term 'beatnik' as you say after Sputnik, the Russian satellite. Alan Ginsberg called 'beatnik' "that foul word" and sent a letter to the New York Times Bok Review saying that 'beatniks' had been created by industries of mass communication which continue to brainwash man. And I think as usual, he was right!! Much like 'hippies' also created by mass media.

Enough to make you 'Howl'!!!


.T.I.M
 
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