>Well, gee, Chris2499 1/2, you slay me with your logic. It's awfully hard >to talk programming and architecture with some one who's neither a >programmer, nor a systems architecht; you're clearly neither.
I done said I was neither. Just a punk. What the hell is this 2499 1/2 stuff?
Did you perchance mean 2004 1/2?
>Then, you also slay me with your brilliant use of the 8048/8051 >microcontroller family. So ? They're not 8086 compatible, certainly don't >run DOS. So what you're saying is that there's lots of SBC's running non->80x86 processors. Which is a 180 from what you said a few posts ago. >Brilliant !
Awwww thanks man, you're too kind
>For every concrete example mentioned, you come back with "well, >there's a thingie, and then sorta, but I remember, and I did, and I >didn't, and all this stuff was available. And this doodie, and that >doodiedadie" etc.
Doodiedadie? Wotsa doodiedadie?
>Oh, darn. Now you're back to remembering code, even though you're >not a programmer.
Anyone with the mind to can pick up some books and learn some coding. It's a free country. No, not a bona-fide programmer, neither a doodiedadiehead either.
>Well, okay, why don't you post some of that sample 'wierd' code for >accessing C64 video memory, and then I'll post some code for >accessing the equally wierd organization of EGA memory; this might >take a while, since I'd probably have to write it, and this is certainly >from the way back machine. To top it all of, you mention that the 'Snow' >problem of CGA had been solved. Go look at some of the code required >for that. But there I go again.
Yup, there you go again. I don't have that book anymore, but I'll find it and get back to you. And I DID SAY the weird code came from a book, my own brute force method was lacking the elegance of boolean logic.
You had to write to memory during the vertical retrace interval, that's all I know.
>And of course, since you say something the other about C and >assembly, but aren't a programmer, I won't point out to you that I >actually *was* talking about C regarding the effects of a system's >architecture on a language, but I guess you missed that one.
I don't think I missed it, but I am missing the point here. Whatever lol.
>I guess, since no one does assembly anymore, there's no point in >pointing out to you that 2 lines of anything doesn't mean it's faster then >6-10 lines of the same thing. Ever hear of macro expansion, but then, I >guess not, since you're not a programmer. Okay, scratch that.
>Examples, give us examples. As they say, you can't run vapourware.
Generally speaking, or I would think the vast majority of the time, 2 lines of code takes fewer machine cycles than 6-10. You don't have to be an architect to know that.
No, I'm not really sure what a macro expansion is. And I don't know what examples you're looking for. Yawn.
>>Why, even though I'm a Win32 api programmer( for my sins, I guess, >please don't think any less of me, I gotta earn a living somehow ), do I >find myself disliking Wintel more with each post on this thread ?
>Your beloved 80x86 family is one where the execution time per >instruction is not constant, it depends on the operands, the addressing, >what segments are being used, on the other hand....
>Oops, forgot, you don't do hardware, so just ignore that,
I hear God is forgiving all kinds of stuff these days Pat. Even being a non-stop doodiedaddiehead.
Ok, but I should be ignoring ever last bit of this.
>Somewhere in there, you're also ranting about PDP-8 stuff. I don't really >know anything about them, but from following the posts, I get the >impression there where a bunch of machines in that model line. This >seems to disturb you. Perhaps you aren't familar with the Tandy 1000, >Tandy 2000, and Tandy 3000 series ? And how many Tandy 1000's >where there ? Do you know ? Does anyone know ?
>So who cares there's a bunch of machines called PDP-8 or Tandy 1000 ?
>All that says is that both where popular, and that marketing departments >ran with it.
What? I'm not familiar with the Tandy's? I owned them all Pat. I have a yahoo group sort of devoted to the T2K. You're welcomed to join. It really, REALLY needs some participation. No flaming the group owner though, cuz I'll boot yer ass right out.
>I think part of the problem is that I've gotten my information from >reading manuals. Books. Chip datasheets. That kind of stuff. From >reading Allison's posts, it would seem that she's written most of the >one's I've read.
>It seems as if you get most of your information from advertisements, or >perhaps friends, maybe even from vapourware, so I guess I shouldn't >be to critical you can't seem to come up with any real examples of what >you're talking about.
>Even your mention of IBM and the 68000, who was it that actually >mentioned the IBM series involved ? Certainly not you. And who >mentioned why they weren't exactly a stellar sucess, again, not you.
No. I don't get it from any of those sources. A little gofer comes to my window in the wee hours and tells me all this shit. As reliable a source as any if you ask me.
>If you seriously think there aren't any ASIC's in your Tandy 2000, you >might want to pull it apart again and look all the stuff in there up. >Perhaps you might even discover what a 8255 is.
I know for a fact there are no application specific ic's in my model 2000.
>Your mention of clones, so what ? That certainly wasn't with IBM's help, >they tried to sue the pants off anyone that developed their own BIOS.
Put yourself in their shoes. You would take pains to protect your ideas and assets. I REALLY KNOW THIS, judging by how pissed of you're getting over this whole affair.
>You keep saying how great early PC's were. I was there too, and I >remember the stuff somewhat differently, I guess. Define better. Give >us some specs, perhaps even some benchmarks, you know, all that >geeky stuff we all love, and then maybe we'll see your point.
whatever
>Bloated code has a whole lot of other reasons behind it, Windows, for a >start. Before you accuse me of "Windows bashing" , or "PC bashing", or >whatever you're going to accuse me of, gain some experience in >programming, and systems design, and then come back, do some >programming in Windows, and then we'll talk about the causes of >bloated code.
I know the mere basics of W32 programming. I have friends in the industry. They say there's a lot of doodiedaddieheads writing this stuff.
>See, though, there's that magic phrase again, "They say..."
>So let's invite the mythical "They" to the party, and see what they have >to say, and let's see their post.
Unlike you and me Pat, they have a life. They're won't be coming around.
>Why not post some examples of what you're talking about ? Post part >numbers, card models, even manufacturers would be nice. Hey, >personally, I'd even settle for the planet all this great stuff came from( >don't bother replying, it's a rhetorical question)
It's all on Uranus Pat. But don't ask me what the rocket that will take you there is using for hardware. Ask Allison, she'll know for sure.
>So what's up with lol, anyway ? Can I let you in on a little secret ? I >never quite grokk'ed lol. I assume, when you don't terminate a line with >lol, you're not lol. So what are you, then ? Smirking ? Nattering ? >Simpering ?
>But, then, I mispell, the gods know why, you lol, only you know why, so >I guess it all balances out.
I do that so people know when I'm kidding around. Because there always seems to be people like you who have a fit over online posts and whatnot. But somehow people like you still miss the point.
>Hey, why don't you let Sam post something ? I'm sure we're all >interested in the Epson "thingies" you mention, but prefer more concrete >information like "Model"
>See, I just don't grok "thingie"
>"Thingie" is what I get from my purchaser when I need to order >something. Are you in procurement ? If yes, then this is a feud for life.
Yes Pat, I do have the feeling this isn't going to end for quite some time.
>Foo, your Tandy is your garage. Don't see you pulling it out, grokk'ing >the board, before you post about 'it's all off the shelf'
>Mine was in the basement, pulled apart, until I grok'ed the system >board, and felt fairly confident in saying the 2000 series is just chock-full >of ASIC's.
Pat, it was my first freaking puter. It's all Intel and ttl logic. You never owned a 2000. Prolly a totally different model.
>You know, it figures you'd grok the HP49 instead of the HP48gx, guess >all that RPN scared you off ? Or perhaps your instructor realized that the >solver on the 48/49 series could probably do your entire test for you ?
>Oooh, sorry, that was a low blow, shouldn't have said that. I also >solemly swear to not mispell for the next line or so.
I didn't need a calculator to do a test for me you friggin rube. And the reality is the 49's would probably do the test faster. And I want a 48gx too *no longer made*, they're pricey when you can find them. Yes, I don't particularly care for RPN.
>Shoot. I previed the whole ting, looks like I didn't get in enough types. >Oh, well.
Skeery. How old did you say you were Pat?
I have three Ti99/4As with all the >trimmings.