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Orange spider web on the screen

MacGyver

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Hello everyone,

I need help :(

Yesterday I bought a Retro Eurocom 486 66 Mhz laptop

Unfortunately I am very sad :(

It was well protected during shipment, but the screen was covered with an orange spiderweb

The matrix is not cracked.

I don't know what caused it, whether it was humidity or low temperature.

The pressure causes it to move slightly
Is there any way to save her :(

Purchasing a similar matrix is bordering on a miracle

Heating it with a hotair brightens the matrix, so it is harmful

I would like to ask for reliable help.

Thank you :(

MacGyver form Poland
 

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That's a failing panel, unfortunately. Do you have pictures of the LCD before it was shipped to you?

Replacing the panel, on the other hand, is probably doable. Do you feel comfortable taking apart the lid of the laptop to find the model number of the LCD panel?

Take a look at this thread:

Your laptop was made by Nan Tan, and is likely an FMAK9200 or FMAP9200. See this page for information:

Does your laptop have an active matrix/TN or passive/DSTN screen? It looks like DSTN, to me, so it might be a 10.3" Sanyo LCD.

- Alex
 
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This is how it looked before purchase and before shipment. :(
 

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Ah, OK. You have the passive matrix monochrome version. I have seen pixels fail like that before on machines that I have.

I wonder if it was temperature shock during shipping that did it?

Unfortunately, since passive matrix mono screens are no longer made, you would probably need to find a donor screen from another broken machine. The good news is that your machine was made and sold by a lot of different companies, so that would not be impossible.

I would probably suggest contacting the seller and reporting this as shipping damage.

- Alex
 
This is how it looked before purchase and before shipment. :(
So your saying when you got it shipped to you you saw the orange spiderweb? So open a return. you got bamboozled.. Dont waste time posting here. Get your money back. You have no idea what it was really likebefore you got it. Those pictures can be really old.
 
I have a few computers that developed this but I've never been able to pinpoint exactly what initiates the failure. The glass itself cracks and the microfracture causes the liquid crystal medium to leak, but not completely fail and crack like you's expect from an LCD. I've seen it occur because of too much pressure being placed on the lid, too cold a storage condition, the LCD being overheated both in use and in storage and frustratingly I had a CD-ROM based E-reader I brought back from Japan that seemingly looks like it ruptured from being in the unpressurized luggage compartment but I *know it was wrapped in a towel and buried in my clothes.
 
frustratingly I had a CD-ROM based E-reader I brought back from Japan that seemingly looks like it ruptured from being in the unpressurized luggage compartment but I *know it was wrapped in a towel and buried in my clothes.

It's an urban legend that the luggage compartment in airliners is unpressurized. It's not. Next time you're on a jet if it's not too crowded you can play the game of "find the vent" leading directly to the luggage compartment; the floor of modern jetliners is like swiss cheese in order to make sure that the floor won't collapse if a cargo door were to blow off in flight. (See here and here.)

(Edit: I mean, I guess if you flew back from Japan on a small private jet with wing lockers things might be different, but that's a pretty fancy edge case.)
 
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There is absolutely at least a variation in cabin pressure to the point my WestJet flight in 2004 spidered the screen on my Duobook 230 and that was in my carry-on.
 
Hello everyone, not happy :(

Unfortunately, I have to look for such a matrix.

I am sad
Thank you for help.
 

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Why would you keep it if the seller had photos showing no damage? You paid for a working laptop... Open a return. If you dont your just allowing a bad seller to go on doing shady practices. Maybe he will let you keep it and refund you...

Doing nothing is just stupid...
 
This is retro, used equipment.
Moreover, no returns are possible.
I took on the risk of transportation :(

He's staying with me
 
The task is to reach someone who has such a matrix and can send it.

I know it will be difficult
 
This is retro, used equipment.
Moreover, no returns are possible.
I took on the risk of transportation :(

He's staying with me
Transportation did not cause this. The seller did a bait and switch. You did not receive the unit in the original photos, this should be adequate reason to force a return on any moderated sales platform
 
Well, don't forget that sometimes items are reasonably priced enough (or hard to find enough) to warrant keeping them. We all have our own standards of what something is worth to us.

- Alex
 
There is absolutely at least a variation in cabin pressure to the point my WestJet flight in 2004 spidered the screen on my Duobook 230 and that was in my carry-on.

By law airliners have to maintain a cabin pressure equating to an altitude of 8000 feet or less. This translates to a worst case of around 11 PSI verses the 14.7 standard sea level reading. This is certainly not "nothing", if you buy a sealed bag of chips at Narita International and decide to open it mid-flight you'll find it blown up nice and firm and possibly risk blowing Doritos all over your seat if you give it a squeeze, but color me a little skeptical that difference should be enough to crack an LCD that wasn't already physically compromised. I mean, if the pressure were *suddenly* changed by a quarter atmosphere you might shock it enough to cause damage, but there's a non-zero chance a shock like this would also have ruptured your eardrums.

(FWIW, it's my vague memory at least that the insides of LCD screens are actually at a mild vacuum compared to the outside world because there's a degassing stage as part of the manufacturing process. IE, the glass had to survive pressure changes well in excess of an airline flight when it was rolling down the assembly line. It's certainly *possible* that with enough wear and tear and accumulated stress an airline flight could be the last straw, but it's also possible that the guy sitting behind you shoved his bag into the carry-on bin on top of yours with just a little too much enthusiasm. And if it's not a carry on, well... I've sat near the window at the airport and seen what the baggage handlers do even when they know they're being watched.)

Anyway, my point there was just that there's no difference in pressure between the cabin seating and cargo deck in any commercial airliner other than a few *very small* regional turboprops. The cargo aircraft used by normal delivery services are also pressurized to similar levels as the airliners they're derived from and kept at reasonable temperatures, because there's a lot of things that would react pretty badly to the ~.25 bar they'd otherwise experience, and you'd need to make substantial physical modifications to the plane like adding a heavy pressure bulkhead around the entire cabin to isolate the pilots.

Transportation did not cause this. The seller did a bait and switch. You did not receive the unit in the original photos, this should be adequate reason to force a return on any moderated sales platform

I'm inclined to agree here. This looks suspiciously like a case of "Vinegar Syndrome" or similar degradation of the bonding between the LCD itself and the polarizer. If that's what it is, well, I suppose it's *hypothetically possible* a change in air pressure could have caused these weird spidery bubbles to just suddenly all pop loose at once, but... yeah, a bait and switch seems a lot more likely.

Since it in fact doesn't look like the glass itself is cracked and the OP seems pretty insistent on keeping this thing replacing the polarizing film would be a possibility here. Google around and there are plenty of accounts about DIY-ing it. The VERY hard part, of course, is getting the old film off without breaking the glass...
 
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