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What is the oldest CPU (AMD or Intel) that will enable Windows 11 unofficially?

I'm saying it's a profitable way of administrating, for state and insurance companies. /endofftopic
 
I'm fine with weasel words. I've never actually seen a computer that scored a 10 out of 10 on the "windows experience". They all still worked fine.
 
When I was a child I once had a conversation with my dad about why, if wearing a seatbelt was the law, cars did not have an elaborate series of sensors to detect and prevent the car from starting if everyone inside wasn't buckled up. This is when I first learned about the concept of the nanny state and why seatbelt laws were stupid.

You shouldn't need a law to tell you to wear a seatbelt any more than you should need an artificial systems check to prevent you from using insecure hardware. Its just M$ being nanny-sysadmins and its irritating.
Don't modern cars do that. Well mine starts but it bleeps so much its un-drivable....
 
Don't modern cars do that. Well mine starts but it bleeps so much its un-drivable....
I guess so. I have a really really long driveway. I take my car to go get my mail and bring out the trash. I dont wear my seat belt when doing that although I always do when I am actually driving somewhere.. Im in my driveway for petes sake! But the card goes ballistic and makes all these sounds. Its pointless and stupid. And treating people as if they are stupid only makes them stupid.

IT even does the same thing if the passenger isnt wearing one which is the first card I have owned which does this.
 
The minimum requirements for Windows 11 are effectively the exact same as they were for Windows 10 x64.
Secure Boot and TPM as far as I can tell is completely pointless as a requirement and doesn't effect operation whatsoever. I believe some optional security features require it, but as long as you're not planning on using those it's no problem.
The CPU list is the worst and most completely arbitrary part of the requirements. If they wanted to publish that list as the "optimum requirements" then sure, but requiring a bypass to install on those systems is just a blatant money-grab. Windows 11 can and will run fine on CPUs far, far older than their requirements. The i7-3840QM in my ThinkPad T430 benchmarks in the same range as 8th gen U-Series mobile processors, which are officially supported.
I've run Windows 11 on a Core 2 Duo and it ran fine. Within the expected performance of a C2D, but perfectly usable with an SSD. Anything older than a Core 2 Duo is likely going to be too slow, and Core 2 Duo is definitely borderline.
 
I had an entertaining conversation with a customer a few years back while working in tech support. I'm paraphrasing a bit but:

"What will happen if I install the software on a system that does not meet the minimum requirements?"
"Don't do that."
"But what will happen?"
"What will happen is you will not get support."
 
I guess so. I have a really really long driveway. I take my car to go get my mail and bring out the trash. I dont wear my seat belt when doing that although I always do when I am actually driving somewhere.. Im in my driveway for petes sake! But the card goes ballistic and makes all these sounds. Its pointless and stupid. And treating people as if they are stupid only makes them stupid.

IT even does the same thing if the passenger isnt wearing one which is the first card I have owned which does this.
Strewth, uk cars had this years ago. I remember when I was working on a Honeywell DPS300, so more than a few years ago, we had a young worker who hated belts. He never wore one, but one guy had a new car with a front belt sensor. When young guy sat in front he was so light It only went off on bumpy roads...

Hire cars are my big problem, my wife has a guide dog who in hire cars sits on back sit with clip-in restraint which closes one belt sensor. Trouble is when she stretches she can set off second sensor...

... as for Windows on un-supported hardware, I suppose MS could just pop up a warning, but pretty sure it would get clicked and then folks would complain to MS about something not working.....
 
I had an entertaining conversation with a customer a few years back while working in tech support. I'm paraphrasing a bit but:

"What will happen if I install the software on a system that does not meet the minimum requirements?"
"Don't do that."
"But what will happen?"
"What will happen is you will not get support."
Not allowing you to install, vs not getting support
I totally prefer the latter.
 
I had an entertaining conversation with a customer a few years back while working in tech support. I'm paraphrasing a bit but:

"What will happen if I install the software on a system that does not meet the minimum requirements?"
"Don't do that."
"But what will happen?"
"What will happen is you will not get support."

Exactly.

MS had that SBS zealously minspeced so with low "serving capacity" imposed by SBS licencing, the system load is always down and support won't have to handle cases where someone knocked their server up to 100% just by using allowed number of email accounts, for example.
 
Not allowing you to install, vs not getting support
I totally prefer the latter.
Same!

Its not like us end-users get support from M$ anyway. Have you seen their support forums? The "techs" literally post a request for system details, log that as the solution, and move on. If ther's an answer it comes from another user, not someone paid by M$.



I have another great story. Was talking to a guy spearheading the construction of a top500 HPC system. He says "Yeah, we just put in an order for a truckload RTX 3090s, which you aren't supposed to use for that. The worst thing nVidia can do is not give us support. We weren't going to buy support in the first place."
 
Same!

Its not like us end-users get support from M$ anyway.
That was exactly my thought! I wondered what you guys were even talking about. I dont know any non technical people who ever called M$.. Those people would rather go to geeksquad then actually call the vendor.
 
That was exactly my thought! I wondered what you guys were even talking about. I dont know any non technical people who ever called M$.. Those people would rather go to geeksquad then actually call the vendor.
I've tried to get support but found it very severely lacking. The Internet always gives better answers.
 
I've tried to get support but found it very severely lacking. The Internet always gives better answers.
I never had reason to call microsoft. If I couldnt solve the problem why would I assume some phone support guy would? Im sure there are plenty of bright intelligent people at Microsoft. Those type of people arent hired for tech support. That statement is true for all faccets of phone support. Its the bottom rung of the ladder... or maybe the ground beneath the ladder.
 
Call? hahahahahaha. Sorry. Us lowly consumers do not get to "call" Microsoft. Unless its for activation support(IE "make sure you paid for it). You gotta be paying a loooooootttta money before Microsoft will answer the phone for a desktop-level support problem. Like even if you buy 1000+ licenses, you still don't get phone support for anything other than license activation.
 
Call? hahahahahaha. Sorry. Us lowly consumers do not get to "call" Microsoft. Unless its for activation support(IE "make sure you paid for it). You gotta be paying a loooooootttta money before Microsoft will answer the phone for a desktop-level support problem. Like even if you buy 1000+ licenses, you still don't get phone support for anything other than license activation.
Again I wouldnt know I never had reason to call microsoft. Because I can do my own problem solving and understand file management.

You know what thats not entirely true. I did call microsoft once. When I bought my 486 DX4 120 it came with a floppy disk package of windows 95. The serial key didnt work and I had to call microsoft. They concluded there was something wrong with that number. I had to go back to the vendor I bought it from and traded it for the Windows 95 cd-rom so it was a win for me in my opinion.
 
I had to go back to the vendor I bought it from and traded it for the Windows 95 cd-rom so it was a win for me in my opinion.
Hard to tell. I think the windows 95 floppy disks are rarer today, but the CDrom was probably easier to use back then.


Apparently I have 2 unusued floppy copies. One still shrink-wrapped. The other has a pretty beat-up box but I just opened it(for possibly the first time ever) and the disks are all sealed in plastic). How did I never use these?
 
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