Cimonvg
Experienced Member
hello
Here is some news in my slowly ongoing hobby - of making the most out of the old 5150 motherboard.
In marts 2015 i did run 486 with inboard 386/pc in a pc-clone. (*1)
And cyrix 5x86 were the logic goal for this upgrade. But i had to acquire an cyrix 586 cpu and a VRM (voltage-regulator-modul).
Took some time to get the right product at the right price , and i did read some PDF's about the 486 cpu.(http://datasheets.chipdb.org/IBM/x86/486/)
My only notice were that Cyrix 586 do not like signal on J1 pin, and therefore made a socket extension with no connection on the J1 pin.
The hardware upgrade is made of :
IBM 5150 motherboard
Inboard 386/pc, 386+387 removed
extension sockets 132 pin (to make clearance for the RAM add on card)
transcomputer board (386->486 upgrade)
VRM , set to 3,45 volt and *2 clock
socket extension 168 pin with pin J1 removed
cyrix 586 GP100
But, it did not work in my IBM5150. Only the "VGA" logo appeared on the screen , then the pc halted.
The answer were of course the BIOS. The old original BIOS is not compatible with newer then the cyrix486-PGA132 cpu-class. The real Intel486 and cyrix 586 needs a newer BIOS.
Lucky i did buy a DIY kit with the "Anonymous" bios ,and here two
days ago it worked for the first time
Furthermore i have experimented with Netroom3 and the Inboard 386/pc. It runs wery sweet. You only have to edit in the CUSTOMIZE.INF file. The line "^inbrdpc" has to be added (otherwise rm386 has no extended memory to see when it
starts). Cloaked BIOS and VGA no not function, but the PC switches to protected mode and the PC feels more quick. Could be fun if the virtuel BIOS could run on the Inboard , and the old PC could support a lot of new features
When i try syscloak.exe the PC gives a message "BIOS system descriptor table missing.", but perhaps it is possible to cheat the Netroom to load anyhow ??
Now , i only have to get more juice out of the 5x86. At this moment at runs like 6 time a pc-xt
I did a Winstone94 test and it only concludes a score of 4,4. Not a lot, the original Inboard 386 with 80386 gives a score of about 6 !
I have not read all there is about the cyrix-586, with internal settings and so - perhaps i am lucky i can umph the speed a bit by editing setting internally in 586 ?
;Data collected by: TOPBENCH | Benchmark and detection stub | Version 0.97
;This file contains fingerprinting information about your computer. Please
;email this file to trixter@oldskool.org with a subject line of "Benchmark" to
;help test these routines and seed the TOPBENCH database.
[UID3336260]
MemoryTest=507
OpcodeTest=206
VidramTest=993
MemEATest=233
3DGameTest=198
Score=21
CPU=Cyrix 5x86-S (clock x2 mode)
CPUspeed=80 MHz
BIOSinfo=unknown
MachineModel=0000
BIOSdate=20120502
BIOSCRC16=3336
VideoSystem=VGA
VideoAdapter=VGA, unknown Chipset, 256kb Video Memory (BIOS)
Machine=PC
...and yes, dispite it is the same hardware pictured above - the different applications do not quite agree about the speed of the CPU. One remark, the CPU do not get hot...
thanks to everyone supporting this forum, and thanks to those quotes and refers to my posts.
other links in my upgrading the IBM5150:
(*1)http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?46993-running-486-on-Inboard-386
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?49421-Running-Win32s-on-ibm-5150-with-Inboard-386-pc
Here is some news in my slowly ongoing hobby - of making the most out of the old 5150 motherboard.
In marts 2015 i did run 486 with inboard 386/pc in a pc-clone. (*1)
And cyrix 5x86 were the logic goal for this upgrade. But i had to acquire an cyrix 586 cpu and a VRM (voltage-regulator-modul).
Took some time to get the right product at the right price , and i did read some PDF's about the 486 cpu.(http://datasheets.chipdb.org/IBM/x86/486/)
My only notice were that Cyrix 586 do not like signal on J1 pin, and therefore made a socket extension with no connection on the J1 pin.
The hardware upgrade is made of :
IBM 5150 motherboard
Inboard 386/pc, 386+387 removed
extension sockets 132 pin (to make clearance for the RAM add on card)
transcomputer board (386->486 upgrade)
VRM , set to 3,45 volt and *2 clock
socket extension 168 pin with pin J1 removed
cyrix 586 GP100
But, it did not work in my IBM5150. Only the "VGA" logo appeared on the screen , then the pc halted.
The answer were of course the BIOS. The old original BIOS is not compatible with newer then the cyrix486-PGA132 cpu-class. The real Intel486 and cyrix 586 needs a newer BIOS.
Lucky i did buy a DIY kit with the "Anonymous" bios ,and here two
days ago it worked for the first time
Furthermore i have experimented with Netroom3 and the Inboard 386/pc. It runs wery sweet. You only have to edit in the CUSTOMIZE.INF file. The line "^inbrdpc" has to be added (otherwise rm386 has no extended memory to see when it
starts). Cloaked BIOS and VGA no not function, but the PC switches to protected mode and the PC feels more quick. Could be fun if the virtuel BIOS could run on the Inboard , and the old PC could support a lot of new features
When i try syscloak.exe the PC gives a message "BIOS system descriptor table missing.", but perhaps it is possible to cheat the Netroom to load anyhow ??
Now , i only have to get more juice out of the 5x86. At this moment at runs like 6 time a pc-xt
I did a Winstone94 test and it only concludes a score of 4,4. Not a lot, the original Inboard 386 with 80386 gives a score of about 6 !
I have not read all there is about the cyrix-586, with internal settings and so - perhaps i am lucky i can umph the speed a bit by editing setting internally in 586 ?
;Data collected by: TOPBENCH | Benchmark and detection stub | Version 0.97
;This file contains fingerprinting information about your computer. Please
;email this file to trixter@oldskool.org with a subject line of "Benchmark" to
;help test these routines and seed the TOPBENCH database.
[UID3336260]
MemoryTest=507
OpcodeTest=206
VidramTest=993
MemEATest=233
3DGameTest=198
Score=21
CPU=Cyrix 5x86-S (clock x2 mode)
CPUspeed=80 MHz
BIOSinfo=unknown
MachineModel=0000
BIOSdate=20120502
BIOSCRC16=3336
VideoSystem=VGA
VideoAdapter=VGA, unknown Chipset, 256kb Video Memory (BIOS)
Machine=PC
...and yes, dispite it is the same hardware pictured above - the different applications do not quite agree about the speed of the CPU. One remark, the CPU do not get hot...
thanks to everyone supporting this forum, and thanks to those quotes and refers to my posts.
other links in my upgrading the IBM5150:
(*1)http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?46993-running-486-on-Inboard-386
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?49421-Running-Win32s-on-ibm-5150-with-Inboard-386-pc